And Texas Caves In

This cars/road argument...makes no sense really. OP, you're retired, you earned it. enjoy it from wherever you are until you can be elsewhere.

All this back and forth.....I'm essential front line personnel. On my days off, I stay at home but get my recreation and essentials in accordance with the governor's order. The same goes for my wife.

If YOU want to make the decisions, run for office. Thankfully some of you haven't, never will, or aren't currently in a position of power. Adjust to the reality of today like the rest of us and be thankful you don't have to expose yourself to the risk.

Hopefully those suffering financially can find a way to recover and get back on their feet or just get things back in normal order (myself included). Bankruptcy hasn't stopped others from getting to the top. ;)

time2roll wrote:
How are the gun sales in TX doing? I assume gun stores are still open. ;)

Business is booming, pardon the pun

free radical wrote:



Btw China brought Virus under control in 3 months,mainly bc everyone must wear mask when outside,

I have a fine selection of some beautiful bridges that can be yours for a bargain price. Just send me your bank info, we'll handle the rest from there.

Yep, I will go out on a limb and forecast less than 60,000 casualties of this virus this season. Which would be like a bad flu season.

Here in Tulsa I've heard some of the hospitals have entire floors not in use, and some nurses and staff are being furloughed because they don't have much to do. Well, they canceled elective surgeries, and less injuries with people staying home. So it's pretty quiet around here.

bgum wrote:
No one has the right to act or do things that will make someone else sick and possibly lead to their death. This is well established in law. We have laws against drinking and driving and people infecting others with Aids or TB knowingly. Just to name two.
The dollar has caused enough deaths. We should listen to our medical and scientific community. This to shall pass. Don't listen to those who have no expertise in public health. When it is over the "me" generation will roar back stronger than ever.

40K die on the roads every year, many thousands more are maimed. Many or most of them because of someone else. How about if we close all the roads? No more car accidents and deaths. Maybe a lot of people might starve then, but we will have saved their life from a car accident.

This shutdown is NOT without cost in lives as well as money. How many will it kill from the stress of bankruptcy? How many lives will it destroy economically which will lead to even further problems, perhaps for generations? It is difficult to determine, but don't for a moment think "saving lives" comes without enormous costs of it's own.

Worldwide statistic update on Cvirus

https://youtu.be/SLV1B5Lzy48

Opinion on fresh food markets in China
One from Fake News USA
And
FACTs from someone actualy living there

https://youtu.be/whbyuy2nHBg

Btw China brought Virus under control in 3 months,mainly bc everyone must wear mask when outside,

Can’t wait till this is over so we can see the end result and watch the finger pointing start! I predict the numbers will be a lot lower than what are being reported now. This whole virus has gotten out of hand with how we have been reacting to it. It can be compared to the toilet paper hoarding. One person does it, and it snowballs from there and then it looks real bad when in reality it was never bad to begin with. Just like all the other viruses that have popped up every 4 years for as long as I can remember. And there were some numbers that make this virus look like a common cold!

How are the gun sales in TX doing? I assume gun stores are still open. ;)

bgum wrote:
No one has the right to act or do things that will make someone else sick and possibly lead to their death. This is well established in law. We have laws against drinking and driving and people infecting others with Aids or TB knowingly. Just to name two.
The dollar has caused enough deaths. We should listen to our medical and scientific community. This to shall pass. Don't listen to those who have no expertise in public health. When it is over the "me" generation will roar back stronger than ever.

I know Louisiana has a different law system than the rest of the country, but I think even Louisiana recognizes the difference between intentional and unintentional actions. If someone gets SARS or MERS or COVID-19 and then pass it on to someone else unintentionally they are not guilty of a crime. Maybe a tort (if you know what that is). There is your well established law. I don't know where you got your law degree, but you should ask for a refund.

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way2roll wrote:

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way2roll wrote:
According to the most recent data from the CDC, a month ago there were 279 cases in the US. Despite efforts to have people self quarantine and mandated closures, in the span of 30 days cases in the US have exploded to 375,000. With 12,000 deaths that's 3% mortality rate. Not 1% as some keep stating. That number continues to climb daily at the rate of 5-10% and not showing signs of slowing. Hospitals are overrun so much that decisions need to be made about who to save and who to let die. There are so many dead bodies that refrigerated trucks are needed at hospitals to store the corpses. This is not fear mongering, this is actually happening. While I agree that this is a wrecking ball through the economy, not just US but globally, are we to walk over dead bodies so we can eat at restaurants and shop? And it's not just TX, it's not just the US, this a global pandemic. Sure it's awful no matter which way you slice it, but I have seen a callous and morally bankrupt side of our fellow man that is rather disgusting. Anyone could be a carrier, and anyone could infect someone at risk and kill them. But selfishness and greed still prevail.

You say the number of cases have exploded, but consider why: there are now many, many more people being tested, but there are huge numbers of people that have it and have not been tested, and probably won't be tested because they show no symptoms.

Those numbers and percentages you're using are fallacious. Only based on speculation, not real data. No one knows how many people have, or have had, this virus. The only semi-hard data is from tests, so how accurate are those tests?

I know of two people that were showing all the symptoms, but were denied testing because they simply weren't sick enough. This is in one little town, how often does that happen everywhere else?

When I was sick with this thing back in December/January, no one had to tell me to "self quarantine", I knew enough not to expose other people to what I had. It's called "thinking" and if more people would do it, we'd all be better off.

I agree is hard to pin a denominator. that said 12,000 Americans have died in the past 30 days. 80,000 globally. And those numbers are climbing daily.

While most compare to the normal flu, keep in mind that the death rate for the common flu is much lower and it is also based on reported cases! Many get the common flu and it isn’t reported, not counted in reported cases.
We don’t see hospitals overwhelmed during flu season with patients.
Not traveling keeps the virus from spreading, when you go camping you travel, use common facilities, interact with others, Rangers, host and other campers.

I am tired of folks talking about the FLU. This is not the flu it is a lot meaner virus. PLUS we have vaccine for the flu. There are plenty (especially from TX) that do not get it and yes they die. You cannot fix stupid but you can do everything possible to try to stop this horrible disease. We have a slow minded government now and we are paying the price from them ignoring this. Now the head doctor is telling us that there are plenty of folks spreading this that do not even know they have it, isn't that another horrible thing.
If you want to camp there are plenty of RV parks that are not under any rules other than the 6 foot rule.