And Texas Caves In

pianotuna wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:
California had 5 confirmed cases (first was February 28) not including the Diamond Princess Cruise passengers when Texas reported it's first non Diamond Princess case on March 5. I wouldn't consider that a huge head start.

It is when doubling takes place every 3 days.

now 500,000 cases in USA.

How many cases were there a month ago? Or could the increase be mostly due to more testing, and not necessarily more infected?

pnichols wrote:

T18skyguy wrote:

free radical wrote:
Wuhan China ends lockdown as Covid19 efectively controled

https://youtu.be/H6dQVyz0syw

Yes, but it took them 76 days, and they have complete control of their citizens. Not at all like in this country. We depend on voluntary compliance, which has actually worked quite well. The battle between micro-organism's and macro-organism's has been going on for eons. There has probably been millions of pandemics, that's exactly why we have an immune system. An event like this "culls the herd" and makes the rest stronger. It's natural selection at work. I know it's a stark description, but it's true. The virus adapts, then we adapt. Statistically, it is not 1%. It's been averaging 2.5% to 3.5% overall. Over the course of my career, I've probably intubated about 10,000 people. It's not the way you want to leave this world. To tolerate intubation, they not only sedate you but often paralyze you with medication. So your gagging but you can't move. It's horrible. Then you die from suffocation anyway if your an unlucky one. Once they get a vaccine, and we get herd immunity, it will be more like the flu. It does look like, for the most part, they have avoided a catastrotphe that could have gone to a million or more.

Your post above reminded me of something I've been wondering about recently: Medical science has brought us all kinds of wonderful things and ways to help ill and injured humans ... including such devices as artificial heart machines that support the body's blood flow temporarily while the heart is being operated on.

When is medical science going to come up with a machine - operating beside the patient's bed - that the patient's blood can be diverted temporarily through and oxygenated before being returned into the patient?

A medical device like this could maybe keep folks alive while their lungs and/or trachea recovered from some kind of damage or disease ... without having to intube patients and use respirators on them.

A blood oxygenation machine like this could also be used during artificial lung implants once that becomes viable: https://aabme.asme.org/posts/artificial-lungs-could-offer-real-hope-to-future-transplant-patients

When is medical science going to come up with a machine - operating beside the patient's bed - that the patient's blood can be diverted temporarily through and oxygenated before being returned into the patient?

You and I could of made a billions off that idea, but they already have it. It's called ECMO, or Extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, and it works at the bedside. When it gets to that point a lot of patients won't live, but some do.

US death rate hits a new record today. Not on the back side of the curve yet.

rexlion wrote:
Folks should take multivitamins with chelated minerals (the most bioavailable form of mineral, like what's found in nature) if they want to stay healthy. I've been taking them for almost 30 years, and I can't recall the last time I've had flu symptoms... it's been years. Vitamins and minerals must both be present for the body to make the needed enzymes.

Did you know that Medicare pays a hospital $13,000 for every Covid-19 patient they admit? But if the hospital puts that patient in a coma and intubates them, the hospital gets $39,000. You can figure it out from there.

How much more do they get when they die ? :h

westernrvparkowner wrote:
California had 5 confirmed cases (first was February 28) not including the Diamond Princess Cruise passengers when Texas reported it's first non Diamond Princess case on March 5. I wouldn't consider that a huge head start.

It is when doubling takes place every 3 days.

now 500,000 cases in USA.

Folks should take multivitamins with chelated minerals (the most bioavailable form of mineral, like what's found in nature) if they want to stay healthy. I've been taking them for almost 30 years, and I can't recall the last time I've had flu symptoms... it's been years. Vitamins and minerals must both be present for the body to make the needed enzymes.

Did you know that Medicare pays a hospital $13,000 for every Covid-19 patient they admit? But if the hospital puts that patient in a coma and intubates them, the hospital gets $39,000. You can figure it out from there.

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pnichols wrote:

Sometimes IMHO "young and in shape" may not be all that it seems. It may not mean those class of folks are "healthy" just because they're not overweight and move around a lot.

I once read an article that has really stuck in my mind: The author stated that the best way to insure that one is healthy, and stays that way, is by the continual monitoring of one's blood chemistry and continually adjusting one's exercise and food so as to maintain their ideal chemistry profile between blood tests. I believe that the author had a complete blood workup every 6 months and would make lifestyle adjustments based on any factors changing too much, or any factors that were out of range.

Maybe - in America at least - young is not always healthy and/or fit ... regardless of their seemingly good body weight index and amount of repetitive body movements. :h

pnichols makes an excellent point here. My granddaughter is 18 years old and lives with me now since her college has gone totally online. I'm 61, yet I worry more about her contracting Covid 19 than I worry about myself. I run 10 miles a day, 3 times a week, and ran the NYC Marathon in November 2017. My granddaughter shops for jeans in the ultra skinny section but she is very sedentary and her diet is very unhealthy. Her immune system should be pretty strong because she's quite young but I'm sorry to say that she does little to help it.

Regarding the impact this is having on our grandkids, it's already impacting mine. My granddaughter is finishing her first year of a 4 year Nursing program. She's not sure whether she'll be able to go back in the fall because she's lost her part time job that helps pay for her education and she isn't sure whether she'll be able to work this summer. Many of her friends from school are in the same situation.

I teach for the college she's attending. It's a state school so she doesn't get any benefits due to me teaching there, but I just wanted to mention that a lot of my students are being impacted by this. Many of our students come from the NYC area. Our administration is afraid that next fall's enrollment is going to be significantly lower because of the financial impact this is having on our students. Enrollment is already down in my department from where we would expect it to be at this time. As an EMT, I'm all for saving lives but as an educator I'm very aware of the price the kids are paying. It's a very difficult balance to strike.

Texas numbers as of 10 April 2020

11,671 infected
1,366 recovered
226 deaths

pianotuna wrote:

wnjj wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:
Extreme social distancing may not be as effective as advertised. Take a look at two states that took different approaches, California and Texas. California was one of the first states to take aggressive social distancing measures. Texas was one of the last, and to date has taken a more lax approach to both rules and enforcement. Both states are among the most populous, have large, international cities and have long stretches of an international border as well as a major maritime industry leading to much transient international travel. California has a population of nearly 40 million and Texas about 30 million. To date California has 20,191 confirmed cases and Texas has 11,329. That means one out of every 1981 Californians were infected, yet only one out of every 2648 Texans suffered the same fate despite not having statewide stay at home orders.
Perhaps the right approach to reopening the country is to trust the citizens to do the right thing. If people behave responsibly, take rational steps to protect themselves if they are not sick and isolate themselves if they do become infected much of the country can begin to return to a resemblance of normal very soon. I think most people have a good idea of what they should do. I doubt many people are going to start flocking to concerts, jamming the cruise lines, filling airplanes and immediately restart shaking hands and hugging strangers because restrictions are lifted. While targeted quarantines may be needed for a while, vast areas of the country can start recovering very soon if we put a bit of trust in the people.

I agree with this. The data I posted earlier from Oregon showed a flattening and declining hospitalization curve that happened before the stay at home order was given. It was after people starting being proactive on their own once the word got out.

We are suffering from a large case of “do somethingitis” that officials often come down with.

I know some will respond with, “but stupid people won’t act responsibly so we have to make them.” As is true with any issue, some will act foolishly but fortunately reducing virus spread doesn’t require 100% participation.

I disagree because first case in California was far earlier than in Texas.

California had 5 confirmed cases (first was February 28) not including the Diamond Princess Cruise passengers when Texas reported it's first non Diamond Princess case on March 5. I wouldn't consider that a huge head start.