And Texas Caves In

The CDC must guess at which strain of flu to use for the annual "vaccine". Sometimes they guess right, and sometimes they guess wrong. According to the link above, overall effectiveness for the flu vaccine seems to be somewhere around 50%, depending on the year and the age group.

Many people who get the vaccine still get the flu. Many people who don't get the vaccine don't get the flu. At 58 years old, I never bothered to get the flu vaccine till last year. I also very seldom got the flu. Until last year!:S

ExxWhy wrote:
Flu shot is not a vaccine and is nowhere close to 100% effective.

Then why does the CDC call it a vaccine?
CDC: Influenza VACCINE Effectiveness Studies

Antigenic drift and the time it takes to manufacture vaccines are the main reasons why the annual influenza vaccine has lower effectiveness than vaccines for other viruses like measles.
CDC: How Flu Viruses Can Change

Tvov wrote:
I think this thread is becoming a perfect example of how people can make statistics say whatever they want them to say.

Both "sides" are bringing up numbers supporting their position.

Eventually we will get to the point of saying "we have to agree to disagree". I don't know when that point is.

Not to mention that few/none of us here are qualified to interpret statistics much less determine which ones are legitimate.:h

tomman58 wrote:

Lantley wrote:

wilber1 wrote:

dodge guy wrote:



And 80,000 people died of the flu in 2017. I don't remember a shut down then? At the rate of 22,000 right now, that would be 66,000 by the end of the year. I don't see the issue that requires the country to be shut down.

23,500 have died since March 13, at that rate it would be more like 200,000 by the end of the year.

Now that the math has been corrected does an additional 150,000 deaths change your mind.
During the pandemic of 1917 Spanish Flu. I believe 675,000 died. That's what we are trying to avoid.

You can get a flu shot........ many don't and some of them die, chew on that.

Many do get the flu shot and some of them die! Flu shot is not a vaccine and is nowhere close to 100% effective.

I think this thread is becoming a perfect example of how people can make statistics say whatever they want them to say.

Both "sides" are bringing up numbers supporting their position.

Eventually we will get to the point of saying "we have to agree to disagree". I don't know when that point is.

Lantley wrote:

wilber1 wrote:

dodge guy wrote:



And 80,000 people died of the flu in 2017. I don't remember a shut down then? At the rate of 22,000 right now, that would be 66,000 by the end of the year. I don't see the issue that requires the country to be shut down.

23,500 have died since March 13, at that rate it would be more like 200,000 by the end of the year.

Now that the math has been corrected does an additional 150,000 deaths change your mind.
During the pandemic of 1917 Spanish Flu. I believe 675,000 died. That's what we are trying to avoid.

You can get a flu shot........ many don't and some of them die, chew on that.

way2roll wrote:


Per the CDC - 22,000 people have died in the past 30 days due to the COVID in the US alone. that's a real number - although I have a feeling that you will find some way to say it's false news, or incorrect due to some data error because you obviously hold PHD's in statistics and disease control and somehow can refute these numbers.

So question for you, Where's YOUR evidence that the mandatory shutdown will kill more people than that? What's the number and at what rate? Links and supporting data is always helpful.

That is 22,000 people that we did not save by shutting down the economy. While a real number it adds little to your point of view. We appear to be approaching the backside of new Covid cases and new deaths daily.

I will link it again here. Over the last 7 days those numbers have mostly decreased.

How many lives have been and will be saved by the shutdown? Impossible to know and this is the data where the argument starts from.

pianotuna wrote:

rltorpey wrote:
Those low testing numbers you refer to translate into almost 3 million tests which is more than any other nation in the world and more than the next two nations combined. You won't find any cases if you don't test for them.

Covid 19 Statistics

The numbers of tests done in USA is about 1/2 of the number done in Germany. Many other countries are doing more per capita than USA.

Pianotuna, I provided you with a link on Friday which refutes both of your recent posts on this. That website is updated daily and you chose to use a NYTimes article from March 17?

Lantley wrote:

wilber1 wrote:

dodge guy wrote:



And 80,000 people died of the flu in 2017. I don't remember a shut down then? At the rate of 22,000 right now, that would be 66,000 by the end of the year. I don't see the issue that requires the country to be shut down.

23,500 have died since March 13, at that rate it would be more like 200,000 by the end of the year.

Now that the math has been corrected does an additional 150,000 deaths change your mind.
During the pandemic of 1917 Spanish Flu. I believe 675,000 died. That's what we are trying to avoid.

You can't believe only the numbers you want to see. You may want to look up the real numbers yourself!

wilber1 wrote:

dodge guy wrote:



And 80,000 people died of the flu in 2017. I don't remember a shut down then? At the rate of 22,000 right now, that would be 66,000 by the end of the year. I don't see the issue that requires the country to be shut down.

23,500 have died since March 13, at that rate it would be more like 200,000 by the end of the year.

Where did you get that number. I went back to January and got the 22k.
Again, people die, it's a fact of life. And nature is telling us here are too many people on the earth. Yes it sounds mean, but tell that to nature!