And Texas Caves In

Walaby wrote:
GA parks appear to still be open.

Let's be honest with ourselves. RVing can be one of the most effective social distancing endeavors available to a measurable portion of the population. You can't argue with that. And you can travel to the parks without contacting anyone along the way by just fueling up and paying at the pump, and carrying your own food and drinks.

No one is suggesting to have a rally, but let's be realistic. Not only are you able to more effectively social distance, but by paying fees, you are contributing to the park system in this trying time.

One thing I think about, and have not seen mentioned; What about the people that must maintain and protect the parks? Should they have a right to shelter at home? Or at least, if stay in park restrict who they interact with?
Face this fact; The last Gov shut down we as a people proved we could not protect the parks on our own.

“Have to say, the various bans and mandates don't appear to have properly taken into account the likely multi-generational impact of destroying our own economy”

So, PA12, we should keep the economy strong and lose how many Americans? 500,000? I believe you having trouble grasping the seriousness of this virus.

way2roll wrote:
According to the most recent data from the CDC, a month ago there were 279 cases in the US. Despite efforts to have people self quarantine and mandated closures, in the span of 30 days cases in the US have exploded to 375,000. With 12,000 deaths that's 3% mortality rate. Not 1% as some keep stating. That number continues to climb daily at the rate of 5-10% and not showing signs of slowing. Hospitals are overrun so much that decisions need to be made about who to save and who to let die. There are so many dead bodies that refrigerated trucks are needed at hospitals to store the corpses. This is not fear mongering, this is actually happening. While I agree that this is a wrecking ball through the economy, not just US but globally, are we to walk over dead bodies so we can eat at restaurants and shop? And it's not just TX, it's not just the US, this a global pandemic. Sure it's awful no matter which way you slice it, but I have seen a callous and morally bankrupt side of our fellow man that is rather disgusting. Anyone could be a carrier, and anyone could infect someone at risk and kill them. But selfishness and greed still prevail.

I’ve (and others have) said this before and will repeat it here: “cases” reported is a bogus number that is actually “tested cases”. Without knowing the real number of infections (which nobody can), you cannot calculate a death percentage. That is not a fault of bad math but bad data.

I hope your assessment of your fellow man isn’t based upon what you’re reading here. What I see are folks genuinely concerned about their families and their neighbors’ futures and pondering the trade offs. Shutting down the country has a real cost to wealth, health and even lives. It’s unfair to claim people just want to eat out and shop. How about some consideration for those whose livelihoods are dependent upon those who do? It could be argued that it’s equally selfish to demand everyone halt what they’re doing to prevent your infection.

For what it’s worth, I have a work from home compatible job which is secure for now, plenty of savings and no debt. My concern is for the financial well being of many others who don’t.

The predictions and actual data show this is peaking or close to it so one way or another we will get through it.

Walaby wrote:
For those who view it as being selfish, and self centered, consider a different view. How about the view that by keeping the parks open, and allowing people to disperse to state parks, it actually helps with the overall social distancing requirement.

Mike

I am not sure I understand the closing of state park CG's. To me camping is an excellent way to self quarantine. The trick is practicing responsible social distancing. Hotels I can see, but campgrounds? I am closer to people at home in my neighborhood.

Lot's of twisted numbers here, no surprise based on all the propaganda. One of the many twists are how they are counting deaths. If they tested positive, then it killed them whether it did or not. There is money from the feds in the body count. Did you know that if you figure the death rate of common flu the same as we are doing for the Wuhan virus that it is around 10% fatal?

NY is NOT like the rest of the country. The solutions for NY shouldn't be the same either.

For those who view it as being selfish, and self centered, consider a different view. How about the view that by keeping the parks open, and allowing people to disperse to state parks, it actually helps with the overall social distancing requirement.

Mike

fj12ryder wrote:

way2roll wrote:
According to the most recent data from the CDC, a month ago there were 279 cases in the US. Despite efforts to have people self quarantine and mandated closures, in the span of 30 days cases in the US have exploded to 375,000. With 12,000 deaths that's 3% mortality rate. Not 1% as some keep stating. That number continues to climb daily at the rate of 5-10% and not showing signs of slowing. Hospitals are overrun so much that decisions need to be made about who to save and who to let die. There are so many dead bodies that refrigerated trucks are needed at hospitals to store the corpses. This is not fear mongering, this is actually happening. While I agree that this is a wrecking ball through the economy, not just US but globally, are we to walk over dead bodies so we can eat at restaurants and shop? And it's not just TX, it's not just the US, this a global pandemic. Sure it's awful no matter which way you slice it, but I have seen a callous and morally bankrupt side of our fellow man that is rather disgusting. Anyone could be a carrier, and anyone could infect someone at risk and kill them. But selfishness and greed still prevail.

You say the number of cases have exploded, but consider why: there are now many, many more people being tested, but there are huge numbers of people that have it and have not been tested, and probably won't be tested because they show no symptoms.

Those numbers and percentages you're using are fallacious. Only based on speculation, not real data. No one knows how many people have, or have had, this virus. The only semi-hard data is from tests, so how accurate are those tests?

I know of two people that were showing all the symptoms, but were denied testing because they simply weren't sick enough. This is in one little town, how often does that happen everywhere else?

When I was sick with this thing back in December/January, no one had to tell me to "self quarantine", I knew enough not to expose other people to what I had. It's called "thinking" and if more people would do it, we'd all be better off.

I agree is hard to pin a denominator. that said 12,000 Americans have died in the past 30 days. 80,000 globally. And those numbers are climbing daily.

Walaby wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:
A health care professional told me after I described the symptoms I had back in December/January, that I most likely did have the virus.

Are you going to do the anti-body test to confirm and if so, so you can contribute to a vaccine?

Mike

I would if they came to the area with the tests. So far the tests approved by the FDA just started to come on the market. They were approved on the 3rd of April I believe. I know six other people that would, in all likelihood, also test positive. Amazingly enough, as it was demonstrated in China, they are all in my family group. Not as in living in the same house, but visited regularly. That was a common thread in China: the virus spread through families.

And I'm not sure of the viability of my antibodies because it has been about 3 months ago. From what I've read, the more recent the recovery, the better.

GA parks appear to still be open.

Let's be honest with ourselves. RVing can be one of the most effective social distancing endeavors available to a measurable portion of the population. You can't argue with that. And you can travel to the parks without contacting anyone along the way by just fueling up and paying at the pump, and carrying your own food and drinks.

No one is suggesting to have a rally, but let's be realistic. Not only are you able to more effectively social distance, but by paying fees, you are contributing to the park system in this trying time.

Last updated 04/06/20 3:45 pm
State Parks Remain Open

We know being in nature is comforting, so most State Parks and Historic Sites remain open. Trails, boat ramps, fishing docks, campsites, cabins and golf courses remain open, allowing you to enjoy being outside. However, we need everyone’s help in social distancing and following guidelines. Please consider staying in your community and visiting your local park. Visiting Georgia’s most well-known state parks is not recommended at this time. We are fortunate to have a large State Park System covering more than 84,000 acres, so we recommend exploring lesser-known or close-to-home parks and historic sites.

Here in South Texas,some are in a huge state of denial. They play cards and have potlucks to show their disdain for the rules. Of course, our county is doubling the number of cases every three days. We are not immune, no matter the state.