And Texas Caves In
The last bastion of sanity has jumped on the "stay at home" bandwagon. They just sent me an email that they have closed all state parks to save the 1% who may die from the dreaded super virus. Texas was once a great state.
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- You cannot set an arbitrary date and decide ahead of time when people can go back out there. The prezadent's opinion matters little. You figure out when to let people out there by testing. We have no provision for testing on a large scale. People with symptoms can't get tested.
Anyone that thinks this is hoax is either in denial or really stupid.
Anyone have their Easter outfit? bid_time wrote:
...There is only a debate if you think 10's of millions will need a ventilator. There are no current reliable estimates to support that theory.
The data here in NY State is pretty clear. Sure no one knows how many have been infected but the percentage of the NY population is low and tens of thousands have needed intensive care. Italy and Spain also show what happens without enough access to intensive care and ventilators. The death rate goes way up.
In NY we also know what happens when a substantial portion of hospital beds are being taken up by Covid patients. Costs of care go way, way up and resources are not available to handle other care.T18skyguy wrote:
free radical wrote:
Wuhan China ends lockdown as Covid19 efectively controled
https://youtu.be/H6dQVyz0syw
Yes, but it took them 76 days, and they have complete control of their citizens. Not at all like in this country. We depend on voluntary compliance, which has actually worked quite well. The battle between micro-organism's and macro-organism's has been going on for eons. There has probably been millions of pandemics, that's exactly why we have an immune system. An event like this "culls the herd" and makes the rest stronger. It's natural selection at work. I know it's a stark description, but it's true. The virus adapts, then we adapt. Statistically, it is not 1%. It's been averaging 2.5% to 3.5% overall. Over the course of my career, I've probably intubated about 10,000 people. It's not the way you want to leave this world. To tolerate intubation, they not only sedate you but often paralyze you with medication. So your gagging but you can't move. It's horrible. Then you die from suffocation anyway if your an unlucky one. Once they get a vaccine, and we get herd immunity, it will be more like the flu. It does look like, for the most part, they have avoided a catastrotphe that could have gone to a million or more.
The best defense against a Pandemic is to be basically healthy and to have a strong immune system. There are a lot of pathogens in the environment and you can't live in a bubble forever. SARS-CoV2, influenza, MRSA, rhinoviruses, noroviruses. Chances are good that you're going to be exposed and your best defense is to be healthy in the first place and to have a strong immune system that can fight off the disease.
Stay fit by exercising regularly, eat a mostly healthy diet, try to get enough sleep, find a way to relieve stress other than eating (exercise helps), don't smoke. It's really pretty simple.
We transport a lot of patients who are my age and younger who are in terrible health and it's often due to lifestyle choices. These people are high risk not just to Covid 19 but also to influenza, coronary artery disease, diabetes, stroke, Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease. Many of our patients now are so obese that we have to call the fire department for lift assist because 2 of us can't lift them into the ambulance.
We could blame the healthcare system but at some point it comes down to each of us being responsible for our own health and not letting ourselves become a burden on the healthcare system and a burden on society. There will always be patients who struggle with diseases that are beyond their control. Type 1 diabetes, multiple sclerosis, many forms of cancer. Those people all have my deepest sympathy and I am honored to be able to assist them. But we have way too many people in this country who have serious health problems that are the result of poor lifestyle choices. I'm happy to assist them, too, but I wish they would start doing some of the things that they could do to help themselves.ExxWhy wrote:
There is only a debate if you think 10's of millions will need a ventilator. There are no current reliable estimates to support that theory.JimK-NY wrote:
ExxWhy wrote:
I've been wondering for several pages when the shut it down crowd thinks we should return to some sort of normalcy? No opinions on that?
It seems there are limited choices. First continue the shut downs indefinitely. The end would come only with an effective treatment or immunization. Neither seems to be coming any time in the near future.
Next would be to gradually lift the restrictions allowing the virus to spread but at a slower rate. That would mean the virus would eventually spread to hit at least half the population with a million or so deaths and tens of millions needing ventilators and intensive care. The economic costs of that level of care would be staggering to the economy.
Take your pick.
Thank you for stepping up with your view, you are the pioneer of your side of the debate. :) Hopefully some of the other folks are willing to also share their ideas?JimK-NY wrote:
ExxWhy wrote:
I've been wondering for several pages when the shut it down crowd thinks we should return to some sort of normalcy? No opinions on that?
It seems there are limited choices. First continue the shut downs indefinitely. The end would come only with an effective treatment or immunization. Neither seems to be coming any time in the near future.
Next would be to gradually lift the restrictions allowing the virus to spread but at a slower rate. That would mean the virus would eventually spread to hit at least half the population with a million or so deaths and tens of millions needing ventilators and intensive care. The economic costs of that level of care would be staggering to the economy.
Take your pick.
Thank you for stepping up with your view, you are the pioneer of your side of the debate. :) Hopefully some of the other folks are willing to also share their ideas?- There is a video of a doctor also being somewhat pressured to declare the virus to be "cause of death" in most cases where the cause isn't clearly defined.
I don't think I would call it a conspiracy, but they need numbers to give to the talking heads, and no sense muddying the waters with inconclusive results. It would not be the first time numbers have been "massaged" to give the results desired.
"Just Because You're Paranoid, Doesn't Mean People Aren't Out To Get You" - more mean ol' gov conspiracy theories abound on this thread.
- Noted economist Martin Armstrong posted this on his blog this morning:
"I have a friend in London whose mother went to the hospital and he knew she was near death. After two days, the hospital claimed she died of the Coronavirus. He said how since she did not go in with that? The joke in London is that COVID-19 is the miracle cure. Nobody in London has died from a heart attack, only COVID.
"Senator Dr. Scott Jensen of Minnesota came out to expose how the AMA is encouraging American doctors to overcount coronavirus deaths across the US. He showed a 7-page document coaching him, as a doctor, to fill out death certificates with a COVID-19 diagnosis without a lab test to confirm the patient actually had the virus. Why? Because of the package for this relief, hospitals are paid more to attend this virus. NOBODY is dying of the flu any more – only COVID-19." tomman58 wrote:
Lantley wrote:
DallasSteve wrote:
Lantley wrote:
As if the budget was balanced before this all started.
As if 3 million people (in the US) didn't die each year before this all started.
Yes there were deaths, the flu,bankruptcy and stock market crashes before this virus and there will be all those things after this is over.
However without adequate testing availability and no vaccine. Social distancing and the shut down is our best method to slow down the virus.
If your thought is do nothing people die all the time than I think you just don't understand. If you think we can't afford to shut down you also are missing the point. We can't afford to sit back and just let people die.
Do you think every city having NYC or Washington State results is good for business or the economy?
Without social distancing what is your plan for slowing the virus? Do you think this is all just a ruse and what we are seeing is a gimmick? Do you think the virus is for real?
Is China in on the gimmick? How about Italy? They did very little for awhile how's there economy?
Some Texans talk the talk but until it is them crying and sobbing on a gurney in the hospital they have nothing but self righteous bull to spew to the rest of us. It is always easy to give advice as long as it is not you!!!
So I understand your post. You are saying that everyone in Michigan is doing Thier part to end this pandemic with no bitchin ? Only a few in my state are whinening. Lots of us are doing what we can to not spread this illness.
On the economy, the prediction of an economics professor I had back in 68 is on my mind. He predicted the total govt debt would get so large that one day that the Fed would just say they don't owe anyone any more . Just his crystal ball but another what if to ponder.
