And Texas Caves In

Who are “they?” State? Counties? Cities?

In California, they have declared that campgrounds are "essential" businesses, and therefore can stay open, since they are useful to alleviate housing shortages.

Texas...

April 13 - 13,906 infected 287 deaths

April 12 - 13,484 infected and 271 deaths
April 10 - 12,561 cases and 254 deaths
April 9 - 10,230 infected and 199 deaths

way2roll wrote:

ExxWhy wrote:
What conditions have I changed to suit my argument? Simple question for you. Does the current situation with the economy largely shut down cost lives or not?

This banter back and forth is tiresome especially with someone who refutes evidence to start with. You ask questions that you don't really want truthful answers to. Tons of evidence to support that the shutdown has mitigated and slowed transmission. In other words, things would be much worse. You don't think that more sick or dead wouldn't be a drain on the economy? I'd provide links, but when anyone has done so you don't seem to think it has any value. So this is a moot point. Your arguments are largely baseless and completely slanted to so suit your agenda. If you think walking over bodies to save the economy is a good tactic, then I am thankful for the powers that be disagree with you. In any pandemic the most effective methods of control are quarantine to slow the progression and transmission. My teenager understands that. If you don't quarantine, things spread faster and more people die. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. Well, maybe it is to some... You obviously think what you want to think, Good luck to you.

I do recall refuting some "evidence" earlier in the thread, was that your CNN story about the nurse dispute or the NY Times line around the block? I asked legit questions about that "journalism". I received no answers.

I also ask a legit question about does a long shutdown cost lives? Again, crickets.

I have seen no one say the shutdown has not slowed the spread of the virus anywhere in this thread. I'm sure it has. I think it is fair to say it has also dramatically slowed the spread of the common flu. It has certainly reduced deaths from car accidents and improved air quality.

I have also seen no one call for drop everything, lets get back to work. Just because some advocate a more extreme position of isolation, doesn't mean those of us who want to get things going are extreme the other way. It should be reasonable to lift restrictions where the cases are few. Which is a large part of the country! Keep restrictions in the hot spots. Find a balance!

rltorpey wrote:
Those low testing numbers you refer to translate into almost 3 million tests which is more than any other nation in the world and more than the next two nations combined. You won't find any cases if you don't test for them.

Covid 19 Statistics

One of the interesting stats is "Deaths/million people. The US is considerably lower than many other countries in that respect.

One thing in the article I didn't really understand is the assertion that testing lessens the number of infected. Not quite sure how that would work.

Boon Docker wrote:
OK forget the confirmed cases and go with deaths, no testing involved.

US has 5% (1/20) of the worlds population with 20% (1/5) of the deaths world wide.

That is a curious number. Obviously the astute measures being undertaken by all of the 3rd world countries with few cases are far more effective than whatever meager response there has been in the US.

Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.

Aldous Huxley

pianotuna wrote:
What worries me most is that USA is finding over 1/3 of all new cases world wide, in spite of low testing numbers. That has been going on for some time.

The US has performed more tests than any other nation. That is likely the reason there are numerically more cases in the US than elsewhere. Also, the US have multiple times the population of almost all the other countries that are reporting. Only China, which has very questionable data at best and India which is very poor and has very limited testing ability have greater populations than the US. It is, and will continue to be, an impossibility to test all 350 Million citizens. And testing has it's limitations. It only provides a snapshot of infection. You can be tested at noon today and become infected by 12:01 PM. In many ways an increase in cases is good. It shows that herd immunity is becoming closer to a reality. The truly important data is hospital admissions, since that tracks the severe cases. Those have leveled off and are decreasing in many of the worst areas. Millions of new confirmed cases and no hospital admissions would be an ideal scenario.

Those low testing numbers you refer to translate into almost 3 million tests which is more than any other nation in the world and more than the next two nations combined. You won't find any cases if you don't test for them.

Covid 19 Statistics

What worries me most is that USA is finding over 1/3 of all new cases world wide, in spite of low testing numbers. That has been going on for some time.