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kaninyeg
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Aug 12, 2016

brake controller output

I have a 2012 Ford F250 with the integrated brake controller.
It does not seem to work as well as it did when new. Cannot lock the brakes anymore. (same trailer)
Ford says controller checks out fine. Trailer place adjusted my brakes to the point that they are almost dragging.

When you adjust the controller from a 5.0 to a 10.0 what changes to give more braking power. I had assumed that the AMPS would increase to send more power to the magnets but the output measured by both Ford Dealer and Trailer place stayed at 10 to 11 amps for all settings. Ford had nothing in their repair manuals about what the AMPs should be.

Does anyone know what a normal AMP output for the various brake settings should be?
  • lenr wrote:
    Whether the controller is controlling amps or volts is an interesting question. I always assumed it was volts. Amps is actually what determines the strength of the magnetic field but it should be directly proportional to amps.


    I haven't ever checked a Ford, but my GM, Ram, and Prodigy controllers I've owned have actually controlled both voltage and current in a crude sort of way. What they actually do is send the full voltage from the Circuit breaker to the brake solenoids, but do so by switching on and off really rapidly. (Pulse Width Modulation) the frequency, or number of pulses per second stays the same, but the duration of how much of how much time during each pulse power is switched on varies (Duty cycle). Some millimeters, and all oscilloscopes that I know of can measure this for you, and with a scope you can see a graphical representation of the voltage waveform which is handy for visualizing what's going on. (Yes, I'm one of those guys who carries a pocket scope in the tool box of my truck)

    If you have a newer RAM truck, the duty cycle maxes out at 65 to 66 percent, with Chrysler saying it goes up with speed. (My own testing says otherwise) My trailer brakes draw about 12.3 amps when connected straight to a battery, but max out at approximately 6.5 to 6.8 with the IBC on my truck. I'm still working with Chrysler to try to resolve this, but it causes inadequate braking to put it mildly. To add insult to injury my trailer brakes work fantastic if towed by my neighbors ford, or with a cheap aftermarket brake controller. How embarrassing ;-}
  • lenr's avatar
    lenr
    Explorer III
    Whether the controller is controlling amps or volts is an interesting question. I always assumed it was volts. Amps is actually what determines the strength of the magnetic field but it should be directly proportional to amps.
  • lenr's avatar
    lenr
    Explorer III
    I have experienced 3 different trailers that developed weak brakes because the electrical connections breaking. The connections outside the wheel are in a very bad envirement. I've gone from inadequate brakes at 10 to too much at 6 by doing a complete rewire with 2 12 gauge cables from the front of the trailer. 10 to 11 amps is kind of in between 3 magnets and 4 magnets--you might have 1 magnet with a broken connection.
  • lenr's avatar
    lenr
    Explorer III
    Pretty sure that the manual for my F350 says that it only reduces output when activated by the brake pedal--the manual lever does not reduce.
  • AMPS are not the measurement that you are looking for.

    The controller reduces output at very slow speeds so you can't test at a standstill.

    If you have reduced braking, pull the brake drums and inspect.

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