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willald
Explorer II
Sep 17, 2015

CO/LP detector failures

Our CO/LP detector went nuts again this last weekend camping. By 'going nuts', I mean, it started going off at random times repeatedly, when it is impossible for there to be any CO or LP present.

It did the same thing back in October 2012, several months after we first bought the RV new in March 2012. In February 2013, the CO/LP detector was replaced by the dealer under warranty. Now, just over 2 years later, the detector they put in (under warranty) has done the same thing. We have gone through two CO/LP detectors in the course of 3 years with this RV. Our previous RV that we had for 9 years, and the one we had before that for 3 years, we NEVER had to replace a detector, ever. Obviously, something isn't right.

There is NOT ever a low voltage issue, as our RV stays parked at our house when not in use, hooked up to shore power. Sooo, there is always a good supply of 12 volts going to it. And, before anyone says it: I am 110% certain, that there is NOT any CO or LP present when this thing is going off like this. It goes off sometimes, when gas (and all appliances using such) are shut off.

Anyway, I *think* I see a pattern of why they are failing, and want to run this by everyone and get some thoughts: On our RV we have now, the detector is located right outside the bathroom door (was not like that on previous units we've owned). No matter how many times I tell DW to turn on the bathroom vent in the morning before using her hair spray, most times she does not, and that #% hair spray sets off the CO detector every time! It seems with time, after the detector goes off 6 or 7 times total due to hair spray (or one time Lysol caused it), it starts to go 'nuts', and the erroneous, random alarms start happening more and more often. Eventually it gets bad enough I have to just disconnect and replace it.

I think, having the detector right outside the bathroom door, in our situation makes it go off way too often, which leads to its demise.

Fortunately, (and actually due to an unrelated mistake they made), our RV dealer is going to order us a new detector, free of charge even this second time. Sooo, even this second time, it won't cost us any $$ to replace the detector. However, I definitely need to correct this problem, and stop burning out CO detectors so often. Next time one goes out, it will come out of my pocket to replace it.

Has anyone else experienced these detectors going bad quickly after it gets set off a few times by various aerosol can products? Is this even possible, or is there something else that is making these things fail so often for us?

I looked at trying to re-locate the detector further away from the bathroom, but have not yet found a way to do that. Part of the problem is that the bathroom vent is one of the simple kind with a simple hand-crank to open it. DW cannot reach the hand crank to open it, so if I don't open it for her, we have this issue. I am seriously thinking about putting a Max Air vent cover on that vent, so that we can leave the vent open all the time. Then, she can turn on the vent fan when she needs to, hopefully alleviating this issue with CO detector frying itself.

Thoughts? Anything else we might do that I'm not thinking about, to prevent burning these things up so often?
  • Old-Biscuit wrote:
    Will,
    Buy separate LP and CO detectors.........battery operated OK

    Install CO in bedroom area on wall 1' down from ceiling

    Install LP in an other area (kitchen) down low (bottom of cabinet etc)
    (Remove LP Solenoid.......lots of MFG. no longer install them)


    Then cover old location with a decorative wall register plate....


    Excellent idea, old biscuit, I like it! One of those wall register plates would cover the hole up very nicely. Then, like you said, would be free to get battery operated separate units, and put them as far away from the bathroom as possible, eliminating this issue.

    Only thing is, now that the dealer is sending us a new detector free of charge...Kinda makes it tough to justify, right now, spending the $$ to get separate CO and LP units and buying one of those wall registers. If this happens again, though, and we fry a 3rd detector, we will almost certainly go this route. Think I'm going to have to bookmark this thread for the future. :)

    Lots of manufacturers are no longer installing the gas solenoids any more? Hmmmm, interesting. Makes me even more tempted to get rid of that solenoid, regardless how or what we use to replace the detector.

    Will
  • Will,
    Buy separate LP and CO detectors.........battery operated OK

    Install CO in bedroom area on wall 1' down from ceiling

    Install LP in an other area (kitchen) down low (bottom of cabinet etc)
    (Remove LP Solenoid.......lots of MFG. no longer install them)


    Then cover old location with a decorative wall register plate.....LINK

  • GMandJM wrote:
    Yep, the sensor on the detector is getting covered with hairspray and Lysol. If enough of either/both of those stick near the sensor, on the grille or whatever, the detector will go off randomly.

    Tell the wife that the next detector is coming out of her beauty budget. ;)

    You can get stand-alone CO/LP battery or electric detectors and put them where you want. But they would just get covered in gunk, too, most likely.


    I've seriously thought about doing that, too. If putting a vent cover and using the vent fan doesn't keep this from happening again, next time I may well just get a battery powered unit and put it further away from the bathroom.

    Will
  • cmarq wrote:
    Check the date of mfg. They are only good for so many years.


    LOL, both of these went nuts loooooong before the date noted on the back. The first one went out in less than a year, second one went out after just over 2 years. :)

    Will
  • Yep, the sensor on the detector is getting covered with hairspray and Lysol. If enough of either/both of those stick near the sensor, on the grille or whatever, the detector will go off randomly.

    Tell the wife that the next detector is coming out of her beauty budget. ;)

    You can get stand-alone CO/LP battery or electric detectors and put them where you want. But they would just get covered in gunk, too, most likely.
  • Check the date of mfg. They are only good for so many years.
  • Old-Biscuit wrote:
    'Sensor' is being covered with hairspray, other aerosols etc.

    After a while the 'sensor' is shot

    Your title is CO/LP and then in your post you talk about CO

    IS this a combo CO/LP that is hardwired to rv battery?


    It is a combo CO/LP unit hardwired to the battery, yes. It also is wired to a solenoid on LP gas line, that shuts off gas when LP is detected. I am extremely tempted, though, when I replace it this time, to remove that solenoid from the gas line and not use that part...

    I hate combo CO/LP because each has differing mounting requirements.

    LP should be down low....close to floor as that is where propane settles
    CO should be wall mounted about 1 foot down from ceiling.

    Can you remount elsewhere vs next to bathroom.


    I wish! It has to be down low since its an LP detector. Only thing I can do is move it maybe 2-3' down same wall, that much further away from bathroom door. However, DW gets very 'animated' when I talk about moving it, 'cause of the hole it would leave where it is now, that we couldn't easily cover up and make look OK. Sooo, moving it is out (argh).

    Or is hairspray really necessary..........7 yrs full time GF never used any. Cut her hair short/sassy ----- wash/wear :B


    Ohhh, don't EVEN get me started along that line!! No, it is NOT necessary, but you know how it is, what we have to do to keep our women happy (and what happens when they ain't happy, hahahaha!)

    Will
  • A vent cover is very much worthwhile even if it doesn't solve your problem. Being able to leave the vent(s) open all the time if you desire is a fabulous thing, and very helpful particularly for storage. Having one in the back open while driving also helps pull air from the dash air conditioning or heat through the whole RV.

    I think your theory is sound; these gas detectors are sensitive to things other than just CO (or propane), and certainly sticky aerosols could clog them over time. If you need to replace the CO detector again, perhaps it would be simpler to get a battery powered household detector and stick it up wherever is convenient and appropriate. It would be wise to use the test button before traveling, of course, but that's really true in any case.
  • 'Sensor' is being covered with hairspray, other aerosols etc.

    After a while the 'sensor' is shot

    Your title is CO/LP and then in your post you talk about CO

    IS this a combo CO/LP that is hardwired to rv battery?

    I hate combo CO/LP because each has differing mounting requirements.

    LP should be down low....close to floor as that is where propane settles
    CO should be wall mounted about 1 foot down from ceiling.

    Can you remount elsewhere vs next to bathroom.

    Or is hairspray really necessary..........7 yrs full time GF never used any. Cut her hair short/sassy ----- wash/wear :B
  • Our detector has gone off a number of times for what seemed to be no reason. Sometimes I hold the reset button and it will cycle through the reset process and won't go off again. At other time, when I'm sure there isn't a leak of CO/LP it will still go off after being reset a number of times. In those situations I've disconnected the power, let it sit, reconnect the power and that seem to clear things up for a while.

    I think as you said, there could be things in the environment like hair spray, nail polish, perfume, etc. (women's stuff :) ) that will set of a detector and take some time to clear.

    My main concerns with respect to CO/LP would be at night when we are sleeping. During the day I'm the primary CO/LP detector and the electronic detector is secondary.

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