westernrvparkowner wrote:
4X4Dodger wrote:
To all of those that posit the really rather weak argument that closing of the threads of job postings somehow benefits the employer or protects the "feelings" of the employers Please consider this:
Companies don't have feelings. Further, most truly professional companies who post positions on boards like these EXPECT feedback both positive and negative. It just comes with the territory.
Additionally lets turn your argument on it's head:
By closing the posts you deny the employer the BENEFIT of those who have worked for them to write about the positive aspects of doing so, thus giving a de-facto rating of sorts. This positive feedback can be of the HIGHEST value for an employer by helping to convince others that the job is really OK.
The last but most disturbing outcome of closing the threads is this:
It ASSUMES that those of us who use and read this forum are too stupid or too gullible to be able to separate the valuable from the worthless, the rant from the thoughtful response, the ring of truth from the hollow sound of sour grapes.
Give me a break. Stop assuming the readers and the employers are a bunch of children that need the protection of an overweening philosophy of Moderation that stifles all the good things in the dubious cause of "protecting" the feelings of the employers.
Your arguments basically come down to two ideas. The one stated above, the "protection" argument and the "Love It or Leave It" argument. Two arguments that are stark in their lack of logic or basis in fact.
What this really comes down to is this: A decision has been made and more for reasons of pride and privilege than anything else it seems there is an unwillingness to consider any other point of view. Or heaven forbid lose face in reconsidering that decision.
This is a sad state of affairs and frankly a response that reflects badly on GSE, this site and the majority of good fair minded people that work for GSE and those that give their time as moderators.
You are 100% wrong. Companies most certainly have feelings, or least the people who own them and work there do. They care what people say. Why do you think big companies have multi million dollar public relations departments? And why do you think big companies sue when they are slandered? You now have two potential employers, myself and The Texan saying they aren't going to be posting any positions on this forum because of the negative feedback those help wanted ads generate. Haven't seen any potential employers chime in saying they would post some positions if the policy was changed and bashing was encouraged. If you want feedback on any employer of workampers, start a thread. That is OK under the rules and will be allowed to run under the normal forum rules. For all I care, start a shadow thread every time a job is posted, you can be the leadoff slammer. But I can see you are like the other bashers, you don't find that to be nearly as much fun as slamming them in their ad.
WRVPO, we dont agree on much and we will just have to shake hands on that. But you really are on thin ice here. Professionally managed companies do not make business decisions based on the EMOTIONAL responses of their employees or owners. They make decisions based on what is in the companies best interests.
I have never slammed any job post ever. But I do value good thoughtful discussion. Not all employers are ethical. Not all employers do what they promise. Workamping jobs are rife with people being taken advantage of. It is worthwhile to hear BOTH sides, Positive and Negative about those jobs. Under the present system we learn NOTHING.
I have NEVER heard of a company suing for slander. If you find one please post the details. Companies do sue for Patent and copyright infringement, but well managed companies dont waste their time with what is said on public forums by going to court. At best they will have someone rebut the posting. And the PR Department is there primarily to make the COMPANIES ACTIONS (or inaction) look good. It's not there to argue over what Human Resources posts on job boards.
Lastly no companies have entered this argument because it would not be in their best interests or worth their time to do so...and mostly because they are no longer coming to this site because this forum has become useless due to the moderation policy.
But the biggest hole in your argument (and many others too) is this: How is opening another thread to discuss the specifics of a particular job offering where you CAN voice a negative view any different than just allowing it on the thread in question where it truly belongs? It's the same thing and more to the point how then does that protect the fragile feelings of all those companies out there and the people who work for them?
I find it very interesting that the Moderator allows other posters to "bash" me in terms much stronger than those used on most of the job postings...but somehow this kind of negativity is OK? While a posting containing the slightest negative remark about an employer is pulled down and the thread closed? This is a double standard in spades. And is precisely the kind of fuzzy thinking that I am constantly amused by. And no I dont think those that disagree with me should be stopped or censored or the thread closed for that reason. That is no more right than what is being done with the job postings.
