Crack Down on 50 Amp Rigs Using 30 Amp Sites
I don't know how long this has been going on but I learned today that some RV parks including the Washington/Pittsbugh KOA I had booked has a policy that if your rig has 50 amp service, you can't use ...
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On metering, an added complication is that you can't charge customers for power whether it's a tenant in your house or an RV site by reading a sub-meter because you'd be deemed to be selling power. At least that's the way it is in BC. I believe elsewhere in Canada and the US it's the same.
You can only take the bill from the poco for each metered property (or portion of) and apportion the bill between sub-meters on your property. And with poco bills being monthly or bi-monthly, charging an RV site for actual KWH used (plus any other utility co surcharges) is impossible. This is one stumbling block with trying to charge EV charging station users for actual KWHs used.
Again, the problem with power consumption of RV sites and 30 & 50 amp sites, the root cause of low voltage and in some cases, tripping breakers is simply the min. NEC code requirements. Period, end of story. Don't blame the CG or them having to restrict demand. (The poco may be part of low voltage but they'll be within the ANSI requirement).
We have code requiring a min. demand of 3600 watts for 30 amps and 9600 watts for 50 amps (now just increased to 12,000 watts) for a single site, but no code provision for demand of 50 amp RVs using a 50-30 adapter (per individual site). Should it be 1/2 of 9600 watts or some other figure? It WILL be more than 30 amp RVs by some unknown amount (actual or by code allowance).
For 14 30 amp sites on a feeder cable, the code allows a min. demand of only 1500 watts (rounded up). There is NO WAY 30 amp RVs are drawing only 1500 watts on average in the heat of summer. Then along come 50 amp RVs needing to use 50-30 adapters and there's even less of a NO WAY possibility of them drawing only 1500 watts. You can get up to about double the current draw on a feeder than the min. wire allowed by code thus VOLTAGE DROP happens regardless.
We're currently in a CG in OR where we need to run the AC during the day. With AC running along with the fridge on elec., converter draw and TV running, we're drawing about 23 amps at 108 volts = 2400 watts. 108 volts is not good but still use-able. CG is 90% 30 amps out of 315 sites and has one section for 50 amps and no mixed 50/30. There are many many 50-30 adapters being used (without restriction).
On metering, an added complication is that you can't charge customers for power whether it's a tenant in your house or an RV site by reading a sub-meter because you'd be deemed to be selling power. At least that's the way it is in BC. I believe elsewhere in Canada and the US it's the same.
You can only take the bill from the poco for each metered property (or portion of) and apportion the bill between sub-meters on your property. And with poco bills being monthly or bi-monthly, charging an RV site for actual KWH used (plus any other utility co surcharges) is impossible. This is one stumbling block with trying to charge EV charging station users for actual KWHs used.
Again, the problem with power consumption of RV sites and 30 & 50 amp sites, the root cause of low voltage and in some cases, tripping breakers is simply the min. NEC code requirements. Period, end of story. Don't blame the CG or them having to restrict demand. (The poco may be part of low voltage but they'll be within the ANSI requirement).
We have code requiring a min. demand of 3600 watts for 30 amps and 9600 watts for 50 amps (now just increased to 12,000 watts) for a single site, but no code provision for demand of 50 amp RVs using a 50-30 adapter (per individual site). Should it be 1/2 of 9600 watts or some other figure? It WILL be more than 30 amp RVs by some unknown amount (actual or by code allowance).
For 14 30 amp sites on a feeder cable, the code allows a min. demand of only 1500 watts (rounded up). There is NO WAY 30 amp RVs are drawing only 1500 watts on average in the heat of summer. Then along come 50 amp RVs needing to use 50-30 adapters and there's even less of a NO WAY possibility of them drawing only 1500 watts. You can get up to about double the current draw on a feeder than the min. wire allowed by code thus VOLTAGE DROP happens regardless.
We're currently in a CG in OR where we need to run the AC during the day. With AC running along with the fridge on elec., converter draw and TV running, we're drawing about 23 amps at 108 volts = 2400 watts. 108 volts is not good but still use-able. CG is 90% 30 amps out of 315 sites and has one section for 50 amps and no mixed 50/30. There are many many 50-30 adapters being used (without restriction).
