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- RayJayco, excellent summary.
Pnichols, booo
Although I’ve always wondered if the left lane loafers were intentional or just ignorant, and presume it’s stil a mix, but leaning towards intentional more and more after reading this thread! - X2^^^
I wonder how many of you who advocate staying in the left lane learned to drive without being instructed that the left lane was for passing not for driving miles on end when the right lane was open. It's nothing new that it's illegal. It was that way when I started driving back in 1960. Do you just disregard the few signs stating "left lane passing only" pnichols wrote:
troubledwaters wrote:
Cause not matter what you do YOU can't change his behavior. But YOU can change yours.
Well maybe many of us, combined, can change his/their behavior.
The only thing that you will change is the frustration and rage level of the person you vigilantes are trying to slow down. This is how people get hurt. Stay in the right lane and drive your own car.Lantley wrote:
Ralph I can agree that all traffic needs to slow down in poor conditions, however that is an entirely another subject vs. slow traffic in the left lane.
In clear, good weather conditions slower traffic should keep right, it's really not that complicated.
I agree.
Not complicating anything. Just an example that a good 50% or better of drivers are total aholes in general, no matter the condition of the road. My observation is out of the whole gaggle of people in the moron category a lot are young women, or driving a Jeep GC or Burb, or both FWIW. But that may be a regional PA observation lol.
And to think around here they did away with driver training in high school, so now you're getting into the crop of morons trained by morons because the parents are morons who did not have it in school either lol.- Ralph I can agree that all traffic needs to slow down in poor conditions, however that is an entirely another subject vs. slow traffic in the left lane.
In clear, good weather conditions slower traffic should keep right, it's really not that complicated. pnichols wrote:
troubledwaters wrote:
If there is a fast driver scaring/endangering you, do you want him on your bumper right behind you for 20 miles?
Or several miles down the road in front of you?
Cause not matter what you do YOU can't change his behavior. But YOU can change yours.
Well maybe many of us, combined, can change his/their behavior. If we keep enabling them - yes indeed they'll never change.
If the speed demons find themselves "on enough bumpers" every time they're on the road - maybe they'll begin to get the message eventually.
Me changing my behavior will make it safer for me. A speed demon changing their behavior will make it safer for everyone.
Nothings going to change.
Yesterday morning........
4 degrees at 7:00 AM, a quick snowshot off the lake which totally coated the roads, hit the Penndot previously applied brine auto destroyer, then melted and froze into solid ice instantly. I was doing 35 in the right lane as was most everyone and some impatient woman came tooling up from behind in a nice new Burb. Rode my bumper for about 2 miles then cut into the fast lane and took off, gave me a terminal stare on the way past, and had to get up to at least 70 mph, tail lights out of sight.
About 4 miles further up the highway there she was. Lost it and clipped a car she was passing. She bounced off the guardrail to the right where the car she clipped ended up, then did at least 4 180's across all 4 lanes, two of which were opposing traffic, and ended up against the brick planters in front of a Diner on the other side facing the wrong direction. If I would of had time I might have stopped to laugh at her. As it was all I could do was blow the horn and wave wildly out the window in my 2WD Kia Soul with low profile wide tires which are about worthless on this **** as I drove past.
Now I know why Tigers eat their young...Rodney Dangerfield.troubledwaters wrote:
If there is a fast driver scaring/endangering you, do you want him on your bumper right behind you for 20 miles?
Or several miles down the road in front of you?
Cause not matter what you do YOU can't change his behavior. But YOU can change yours.
Well maybe many of us, combined, can change his/their behavior. If we keep enabling them - yes indeed they'll never change.
If the speed demons find themselves "on enough bumpers" every time they're on the road - maybe they'll begin to get the message eventually.
Me changing my behavior will make it safer for me. A speed demon changing their behavior will make it safer for everyone.JaxDad wrote:
55 to 70 is plenty safe if everyone would behave. Reality is closer to 55 to 90 with tons of tailgating, passing on the right and cutting in with minimal space. (NASCAR style)drsteve wrote:
Sorry, but there's no morality in people driving like they're in a NASCAR race while I and my family are sharing the road with them. Excessive speed is always a hazard, that's the meaning of the word "excessive". If you think people are going to drive at a safe and reasonable speed without enforcement, then you've been living in a cave.
So if someone driving 15 or 20 mph over the speed limit is acting immorally and putting lives at risk, then States like California where there are 70 mph speed limits for passenger vehicles, but 55mph for trucks, or M/H’s doing 55 - 60 mph in amongst vehicles traveling much faster is inherently very dangerous?- Rules of the road are about the only set of rules in life I know of that can be thrown out the window and ignored and can get away with doing what you want.
Imagine going to a football or hockey game and each player going by their own rules. If I drive on the roads, why shouldn't I be able to expect other drivers to follow the same rules that we were taught in order to be granted a licence.
Imagine an alien coming to our planet and trying to learn how to drive. Reminds me of the movie Starman when Jeff Bridges says while being shown how to drive, "Red light, stop; green light, go; yellow light, go very fast.) :B
Personally I don't think the gov't or cops here in BC (or elsewhere) do enough or the right things to make a real change in driver behavior and a lot is lip service. Now our rates are going up (again) because the Insurance Corp. says they are losing billions. For starters, maybe periodic testing say every 5 years should be mandatory and if you don't pass, licence gets taken away and no insurance renewal. People's memory and habits might improve a lot...
Here in Richmond BC, we have a large population of immigrants from a certain overseas area of the planet. Seems like many learned how to drive there under who knows what circumstances and testing and licencing requirements. (There was even a rumor for the longest time that many bought their licences at the local midnight market.) You can be quietly minding your own business driving along and have a driver wearing a surgical mask and white gloves come zinging out of nowhere from a parking lot on one side of the street across the road right in front of you into another lot on the opposite side of the street. My DW works there and sees it all the times. Photo is a not uncommon example or this vid clip for ex. (see last few seconds). Says she's lucky to still be alive, lol.
Ticks me off when I'm retired, am home most days and don't do much driving (except for RV-ing in summer) and I still have to pay the same rate as everyone else including those that drive long distances to/from work. The truck sits there all winter hardly being used but I need it occasionally for an appt. somewhere or maybe to go to a store (DW takes the car to work). This is the first time ever that we downgraded the insurance to bare min. and even took off the collision coverage. The occasional time I am out in the off-season in the truck I get to witness drivers speeding and crossing double yellows, blowing through stop signs, speeding in school zones, changing lanes in intersections, using cellphones, etc., etc.
I digress but it's a crazy world out there on the roads (and generally speaking too) and nuttin' you can do about it.
Can't believe this thread is still going (to who knows where). Clearly too many folks with cabin fever, nothing else to do and need to get out camping! :R I digress but it's a crazy world out there and nuttin' you can do about it.
- Use proper signage on the back of your vehicle, like....STUDENT DRIVER ON BOARD.....:B
IMO the safe sustained speed for me and my big rig is 67 mph. The centrifugal force is constantly trying to tear my tires apart.
