E15 Gas Introduced, Car Mfgs Warn Not To Use It

FWIW, here's another interesting link to what's going on with the adding of ethanol to gasoline:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/12/us-oil-ethanol-lobby-idUSBREA4B01O20140512

Boy or boy ... what a convoluted mess of intertwined political/economical/special-interest baloney. We need the same grades and kinds of gas available everywhere throughout the U.S. and refined the same way throughout the U.S.. Sometimes this kind of "states rights" malarkey drives me up the walls.

I've just about given up trying to overcome the government / greenies BS errrr..... I mean brainwashing on this crap.

People (EPA, CARB, etc., etc.) like to Bantu around 'labroratory proof' that there's no real energy loss, but most people don't buy their fuel from a lab-grade source, nor do they drive a 'perfect' vehicle.

The fuel they buy has significant moisture content (which not only has ZERO energy but it degrades the rest of the fuel, with pure gasoline water in the tanks from leaky lids or tanks just settles harmlessly to the bottom, with Ethanol it's absorbed), it fools the fuel management system (too much oxygenates) into thinking the engine is running too lean and enrichenes the mixture, and the rampant abuse in the system (station owners and distributors dumping large quantities of pure Ethanol in to bump up the percentages since it's a huge profit opportunity doing so).

It's not uncommon to have E10 that is actually only 70% gasoline, 80% seems to be about the average.

Just do a little Google'ing and see how many folks there are complaint about the spread between EPA mileage figures and 'real world' figures. That's the same as the difference between what the gov. says you'll get with E10 or E15 and what you actually get.

Jagtech wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Jagtech wrote:
15% ethanol = 15% less MPG. What's the advantage?

Oh brother, another math wiz. :S

Go up to the top of the page and read the math refresher course that I have posted. Then read it 3 more times. I'm hoping you will get it? Like I said, if you don't get it I can't make it any simpler.

Don't need to...my independent tests have proven my statement, without question.

You do realize your saying that ethanol has no energy content with that statement don't you. :S

And you're a tech? OMG! :E

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Jagtech wrote:
15% ethanol = 15% less MPG. What's the advantage?

Oh brother, another math wiz. :S

Go up to the top of the page and read the math refresher course that I have posted. Then read it 3 more times. I'm hoping you will get it? Like I said, if you don't get it I can't make it any simpler.

Don't need to...my independent tests have proven my statement, without question.

Jagtech wrote:
15% ethanol = 15% less MPG. What's the advantage?

Oh brother, another math wiz. :S

Go up to the top of the page and read the math refresher course that I have posted. Then read it 3 more times. I'm hoping you will get it? Like I said, if you don't get it I can't make it any simpler.

Weathershak wrote:
If your statement is true, you should have talked to the government and stopped them from wasting 500 thousand tax payer dollars. Current article.


BTW...I have worked in the marine industry for over 27 years and want to thank the folks that made E10 fuel possible. We make lots of money doing carb rebuilds and fuel component repairs due to ethanol. We also sell new boats with the NO E15 sticker factory installed by the fuel cap.

???? :h Where have I ever said alkie is good for global warming?

Your article talks about global warming not smog. Those are two entirely different thing. You do understand the difference between the two don't you?

Alkie is so good at reducing HC's that in the old days if we had a dirty car that was border line passing smog we would add a little alkie to the tank and Wa La, the HC's came out clean as a whistle.

Ha, ha, ha, in fact, these guy's are doing what I used to do years ago.

Why do you think they would add alkie to the mix before a smog test if it didn't work?

Talking strictly from a smog standpoint 10% ethanol works and works very good. Is it bad for global warming? I have no idea?

The advantage is 15% ethanol is equal to 15% more damage to internal car parts where ethanol passes thru. This will triple your labor bills at the mechanics shop. The Mechanics will thank you for putting more food on their tables and less on yours.

15% ethanol = 15% less MPG. What's the advantage?

sonora wrote:

mpierce wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
The energy in fuel with 10% E is way less. Enough that my X could barely hold 55mph in a headwind. When i switched to 93 octane my power and mileage came back. When i fill up in WI with real gas my X runs like it was supposed to.

The ethanol is 10% less energy per gallon than gas. There is a 10% mix. So, 10% of 10% means there is 1% less energy per gallon.

If the engine is adjusted to compensate, which all in the last 20 years or so are, the power will be the same. You could burn 1% more fuel to do it.

So, if you had been getting 25 mpg with straight gasoline, you could drop to 24.75 mpg. I defy you to be able to tell that.

I have been running it since the 80's in all my engines on the farm, and there are a LOT of them, including small ones. I have not had ONE SINGLE PROBLEM.

If you like the corn gas then use it and be happy. BUT DO NOT FORCE ME TO USE IT!

You must think I have more power than I do. I could care less which one you use, and am not forcing anyone to use it.

weathershak wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

I'd appreciate your opinion of how you can remove 10% of the potential energy in a gallon of gasoline and NOT see a 10% increase in consumption.

They are not removing 10% of the energy content. And let me show you why.

You have 10 gallons of straight gasoline and you remove 10% of it. You now have removed 10% of your energy and end up with 9 gallons of straight gasoline.

Then you replace that one gallon of straight gasoline with one gallon of straight ethanol. You now have 10 gallons of what is called E10.

Since that "one gallon" of straight ethanol has only around 2/3's the amount of energy as straight gasoline the new E10 you just made has 96 to 97% of the energy of the 100% straight gasoline.

If you put this new E10 into a car that gets 10MPG on straight gasoline you would now be able to drive around 9.6 to 9.7 miles. So you would lose about a 1/4 to a 1/3 of a mile in 10 miles of driving, but you would reduce some smog causing chemicals and gases by 25%!

That's as simple as I can make it. As Geico says, it's so simple a cave man can get it. :B

If your statement is true, you should have talked to the government and stopped them from wasting 500 thousand tax payer dollars. Current article.


BTW...I have worked in the marine industry for over 27 years and want to thank the folks that made E10 fuel possible. We make lots of money doing carb rebuilds and fuel component repairs due to ethanol. We also sell new boats with the NO E15 sticker factory installed by the fuel cap.

I'm compelled to add I don't trust anything from EPA, NHTSA or whomever. Remember small cars are safer than SUVs. The twenty thousand or more for a diesel engine and elimination of LSDF now.
And a whole long list. They are not scientist they are political hacks.