E15 Gas Introduced, Car Mfgs Warn Not To Use It

A lot of pumps say "up to 10%" so may be less. 10% has been max for years. So, to say that % has been increasing all along, is just not correct. Of course, I am sure you read that it has been increasing on some anti-ethanol internet site, so IT MUST BE TRUE.

I've seen a few pumps, maybe a couple, advertising 15% around southeast Tn somewhere. Don't remember exact location.

RAS43 wrote:
Can anyone say that they have seen gas pumps that actually list the ethanol content at 15%? I haven't and called a couple of fuel suppliers and they say no plans to change as the EPA is wavering on this-noted in my earlier response. I think Caveman is right!

I don't know about other states but in Ca it's been 10% and has been that way for many years.

Can anyone say that they have seen gas pumps that actually list the ethanol content at 15%? I haven't and called a couple of fuel suppliers and they say no plans to change as the EPA is wavering on this-noted in my earlier response. I think Caveman is right!

wintersun wrote:

sch911 wrote:
Ethanol laden gasoline has been here for years. Old news...

You are dead wrong as the percentage has been increasing over the past 5 years. The corn companies like ADM got their congressmen to write legislation that sets a fixed amount of subsidies for ethanol production and forced use by the gas companies to blend into their products sold at the pumps.

In recent years people have been driving less or buying more fuel efficient cars so the amount of gas being sold at the pumps has decreased but the same amount of ethanol is going in upstream. Not to hard to do the math but the percentage of ethanol has kept increasing and it damages car engines and is especially damaging to boat engines which have never been modified to handle ethanol.

Amazing that with the internet and other information sources that people choose to remain ignorant.

And of course since you read it on the internet it must be true.

sch911 wrote:
Ethanol laden gasoline has been here for years. Old news...

You are dead wrong as the percentage has been increasing over the past 5 years. The corn companies like ADM got their congressmen to write legislation that sets a fixed amount of subsidies for ethanol production and forced use by the gas companies to blend into their products sold at the pumps.

In recent years people have been driving less or buying more fuel efficient cars so the amount of gas being sold at the pumps has decreased but the same amount of ethanol is going in upstream. Not to hard to do the math but the percentage of ethanol has kept increasing and it damages car engines and is especially damaging to boat engines which have never been modified to handle ethanol.

Amazing that with the internet and other information sources that people choose to remain ignorant.

We run E-10 in everything on the farm and I run it in all of my cars. We have a 1979 F-150 on the farm, it did need the carburetor rebuilt last year and like many of you the mechanic blamed it on ethanol. He said he had rebuilt that carb for my dad when he was located in his old garage location. Problem was, when I got to thinking about it my dad has been gone for 14 years and the mechanic hasn't been in that old location for 20. So, yes if you run ethanol in your older, carbureted, vehicle you will have to have the carb rebuilt every 20 years..... Come to think of it didn't you always have to have that done? Golly, nobody wants to think about that do they.

Was in Oklahoma this weekend-Loves is offering ethanol free as well as 10%-didn't check price.

Kurbennett wrote:
Ethanol has wrecked havoc with a lot of small engines. 10% blend has been seen to ruin gas tanks and engines on many motorcycles. Most motorcycle manufacturers recommend not using ethanol laden gas at all. Luckily non-ethanol gas stations do exist. Of course it does cost more, but you also see better mpg out of it.
Now as far as use of ethanol gas in RV's and possible consequences I have not seen any. I would not use a 15% blend though. As for rationing and shortages, the current higher costs of gas seem to be from our exporting of oil to other countries, versus a shortage.

Mostly incorrect!

UN-luckily, NON-ethanol gas stations are *VERY* few and *VERY* far between in some states..:(

In the most populous state in the USA (CA) you can count 'em on one hand - for the entire state..:(

UN-fortunately, ethanol is bad news for any gasoline powered engine, especially any engine that is not run frequently..:(
Motorcycles are just one example - RVers: think "generators"!
Antique autos are another.

Old ethanol gas *WILL* clog carb jets..:(

Be sure to add SeaFoam or StaBil to the tanks of *any* gasoline powered engine that is not run often.

For me - be happy to pay "the price" for non-ethanol (but have no alternative) - and the only gasoline shortages are always contrived by the oil companies..:S


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pnichols wrote:
FWIW, here's another interesting link to what's going on with the adding of ethanol to gasoline:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/12/us-oil-ethanol-lobby-idUSBREA4B01O20140512

Boy or boy ... what a convoluted mess of intertwined political/economical/special-interest baloney. We need the same grades and kinds of gas available everywhere throughout the U.S. and refined the same way throughout the U.S.. Sometimes this kind of "states rights" malarkey drives me up the walls.

Interesting that in the article you linked to, almost nowhere are environmental concerns talked about. It's all about money, power, votes.