Gas station pet peeves

ppine wrote:
Many people are oblivious. They aren't rude on purpose they are just stupid.

I usually go find another station.

Or in other words, "Darwin was right"?

Many people are oblivious. They aren't rude on purpose they are just stupid.

I usually go find another station.

down home wrote:

JaxDad wrote:

down home wrote:
If it is cold or thee air is running because it is ungodly hot I'm not shutting off the gen either.

Diesel does not explode or vaporize easily, and there are no sparks if someone is spewing gas all over the ground.

You might be surprised how much of a spark can be generated by that big electromagnetic clutch on your a/c compressor. You know, the one right behind that big belt-driven fan that's sucking all those gas fumes in?

BTW, the law actually says it's illegal to have your "ignition on" it doesn't specify gas or diesel for exactly that above reason.

Ac compressors are on the roof. If the ac clutch on a truck is putting out sparks you got troubles.

You don't have, or use, the a/c on the chassis?

If you don't think that the brushes and / or clutch linings don't make a little spark as they do their best hing you might one day get a nasty surprise.

It doesn't take much of a spark to light up gas fumes, that's why it's illegal to fill jerry cans while sitting on the plastic box liner of a pickup in most jurisdictions.

JaxDad wrote:

down home wrote:
If it is cold or thee air is running because it is ungodly hot I'm not shutting off the gen either.

Diesel does not explode or vaporize easily, and there are no sparks if someone is spewing gas all over the ground.

You might be surprised how much of a spark can be generated by that big electromagnetic clutch on your a/c compressor. You know, the one right behind that big belt-driven fan that's sucking all those gas fumes in?

BTW, the law actually says it's illegal to have your "ignition on" it doesn't specify gas or diesel for exactly that above reason.

Ac compressors are on the roof. If the ac clutch on a truck is putting out sparks you got troubles.

shelbyfv wrote:
"This whole thing is about establishing control over society." And what about those black helicopters? I lined my trucker cap with tin foil, but I think they can still see me....

Well maybe you have a reason for tinfoil hat?:)
You really must keep up with the events of the last 30years.
This has nothing to do with gas stations.
The "Black Helicopters" came about when the Feds, Local and state and Military formed OCDEF. To fight dope growers and other crimes.
They painted their Hueys and Rangers and fixed wing black.
In one event they hovered ove.r a chicken house in Alabama scaring all the chickens to flap about trying to fly and killed a great lot of them.
They though the heat from the lamps in the chicken house were grow lamps apparently.
The Farmer shot the helicopter forcing it down doing some damage.
He was charged and had to fight in court. He won.
They started the black military type uniforms about then too.
Alienated a lot of People. Some departments still wear them with horrible uncomfortable lace up type jump boots.
No war but they wanted to play war perhaps.
We had one of the smaller copters referedot as LOACH in Nam the little bubble type compartment with four blades at high rpm and 350 hp from a 325 pound power plant, I think land on a road right here. Turned out I knew one of the pilots.
A lot of people did have them hover over homes and out buildings and chicken houses, anywhere their the new heat detection equipment picked up a "suspicious" heat signature, and also over woods and fields looking for dope.
About that time there was a huge number of cattle mutilations around the Country. I'm certain they had nothing to do with it but they got dragged into the paranoia and space alien pop culture scene.
Other agencies now use some of heir methods, but I haven't noticed a "Black Helicopter" in a while. Just plain old space aliens, scaring the chickens and turkeys and occasional Russian spy plane and silent copters. :)

Sport45 wrote:

Rancher Will wrote:
Modern technology has made modern diesel as clean or even cleaner burning than gas in many angines. This is especially true for any gas engine that is burning gas with ethanol.

The laws of physics have not been repealed. When ethanol is added to gasoline, as is required in some states, the result is that more gasoline is burned in that engine per mile driven along with the ethanol burned. Burning more gasoline results in more emissions per mile no matter how much ethanol is burned along with the gas. Burning the ethanol also results in more emissions from the ethanol also. Ethanol produces less energy per volume than gasoline so when added to gasoline more total volume of the mixture of gas and ethanol is required to produce measured energy.

Modern diesel engines have been improved to be cleaner fuel burning that even most gas cars today. Our newer diesel tractors and trucks now require the addition of DEF to the exhaust system. After the DEF law was passed, Cummins engines were able to have an exemption for a few years since DEF actually has no effect on the combustion of diesel fuel in an engine. Adding DEF to the exhaust system of any diesel engine actually has no reduction of any exhaust of burning diesel. DEF added to the exhaust of a diesel engine does increase pollution, adding Nitrous Oxide to the atmosphere that we breath.

I want some of what you've been smoking. :)

Yes me too. And can you also recommend a good tin foil hat manufacture while your at it.

Rancher Will wrote:
Modern technology has made modern diesel as clean or even cleaner burning than gas in many angines. This is especially true for any gas engine that is burning gas with ethanol.

The laws of physics have not been repealed. When ethanol is added to gasoline, as is required in some states, the result is that more gasoline is burned in that engine per mile driven along with the ethanol burned. Burning more gasoline results in more emissions per mile no matter how much ethanol is burned along with the gas. Burning the ethanol also results in more emissions from the ethanol also. Ethanol produces less energy per volume than gasoline so when added to gasoline more total volume of the mixture of gas and ethanol is required to produce measured energy.

Modern diesel engines have been improved to be cleaner fuel burning that even most gas cars today. Our newer diesel tractors and trucks now require the addition of DEF to the exhaust system. After the DEF law was passed, Cummins engines were able to have an exemption for a few years since DEF actually has no effect on the combustion of diesel fuel in an engine. Adding DEF to the exhaust system of any diesel engine actually has no reduction of any exhaust of burning diesel. DEF added to the exhaust of a diesel engine does increase pollution, adding Nitrous Oxide to the atmosphere that we breath.

I want some of what you've been smoking. :)

Hey! You, there! Get off my lawn!!

Modern technology has made modern diesel as clean or even cleaner burning than gas in many angines. This is especially true for any gas engine that is burning gas with ethanol.

The laws of physics have not been repealed. When ethanol is added to gasoline, as is required in some states, the result is that more gasoline is burned in that engine per mile driven along with the ethanol burned. Burning more gasoline results in more emissions per mile no matter how much ethanol is burned along with the gas. Burning the ethanol also results in more emissions from the ethanol also. Ethanol produces less energy per volume than gasoline so when added to gasoline more total volume of the mixture of gas and ethanol is required to produce measured energy.

Modern diesel engines have been improved to be cleaner fuel burning that even most gas cars today. Our newer diesel tractors and trucks now require the addition of DEF to the exhaust system. After the DEF law was passed, Cummins engines were able to have an exemption for a few years since DEF actually has no effect on the combustion of diesel fuel in an engine. Adding DEF to the exhaust system of any diesel engine actually has no reduction of any exhaust of burning diesel. DEF added to the exhaust of a diesel engine does increase pollution, adding Nitrous Oxide to the atmosphere that we breath.

I believe this is a tempest in a teapot. It works both ways. I have diesel trucks and gas trucks and gas cars. Many times I find a car fueling with gas blocking the diesel pump for a few minutes. I also often find a diesel unit blocking the gas pump for, usually, much longer.

It does not upset me since I have often been on both sides. Many times it is because of the arrangement of the pumps, how busy the station is at that moment, and often because of convenience for each customer. I also believe that very few, if any, people block a pump deliberately. Usually the customer fueling with gas, especially a woman, has no idea that even diesel is different than any other fuel pump.

Anyone that gets upset about this would probably complain if a brand new rope was used to hang them.