Glacier National Park starting ticketed Entry

FWC wrote:
Besides the obvious xenophobia, I am not sure how this would even address the issue. Over the last year there have been near zero foreign visitors, yet the crowds have been worse than ever.

bgum wrote:
I am sure that this will get a warm reception: It has been suggested that usa citizens or at least usa residents have unrestricted entry but noncitizens have ticketed entry.

Other than this past year, which is an anomaly, many of the parks are heavily traveled by foreigners. Particularly they busiest parks.

Nothing xenophobic about it. As the owners, citizens should have first access if we need to reduce numbers as you suggest.

We used to go across the Royal Gorge bridge, go to RedRocks Park, go over Trail Ridge and anywhere else at anytime. Starting June 4, it will cost $25/day or $35/ week for RMNP but the senior pass still works so why is the extra charge necessary? I think it's our Q governor at work. He jacked up hunting fees as soon as he was in office. Craig

FWC wrote:
I am not sure the 'state of CO' has done anything to Royal Gorge Bridge - it is a privately owned tourist trap.

Exactly....its what the state didn't do in protecting a attraction like the Royal Gorge. Like I stated I'm glad to have seen it before.

I think it is a good idea. We visited Glacier last summer. Basically drove over and back, no where to park...

I think we found 2 times where we could park but neither had hiking trails from that point so people only got out, took some pictures and drove off. Most of the roadside parking is full by early morning and you are lucky to get a spot. If you don't stick around, then you move on and might not find another place to park. We did decide we wanted to hike to a lake, so on our 3rd day, got up really early and went and found what seemed like the last spot. The trail was very overcrowded and we wore masks almost the entire hike due to people coming the other way the entire route.

We went to Zion this winter, the shuttle system isn't perfect, but you get a reservation, show up, get on a bus, get in the park, then it works great. We made 3 stops, hiked, enjoyed, then took the bus back to the main shuttle stop. I don't need to go back, but it was easy and didn't have to fight traffic the entire drive up and back.

Glacier was nice, but other areas of the country are just as nice and are not so crowded...

I am not sure the 'state of CO' has done anything to Royal Gorge Bridge - it is a privately owned tourist trap.

good post.
In my lifetime of 80 years I can remembers places visited in the 1950's that were natural.
Visiting the same places the last 10 years makes me very glad I saw them before the packed hordes tromped it all and state commercial development was allowed to build actual arcades for kids. What the state of CO has done with the Royal Gorge Bridge comes to mind. I'm glad I was their before it was ruined.

In contrast to our visit to Glacier NP ten years ago, which I posted about above, was our visit to Denali NP in Alaska in June of 2019. For those who have never been there, you can't just drive in and wander around. Although the park is vast, one of the larger ones in the world, you can only drive into the edge of the park. From there, getting into the interior of the park requires a shuttle bus ride. The longest bus trip into the park, that takes you as close to the mountain itself, is an approximately 10 hour round trip.

In contrast to the ride up Going To The Sun Road, the trip into Denali NP did not amount to a traffic jam, and we did not see the sights over the heads of packed hordes. We got to see the native fauna still in the wild. They hadn't been chased around by idiots with cameras or screaming kids wanting to pet them, so they were cautious of the bus and people, but not terrorized by them/us either. We saw moose, caribou, bears, not to mention the completely untouched tundra and rivers and flora of central Alaska. The experience was sublime, and I'm grateful for being able to see it. We left only tire/foot prints and took only photographs, so if YOU get to go there one day, there is a good chance you too will be able to see the wilds of Alaska as I have.

When you come back, you will have a much better sense of what we have already lost from the experience of Yellowstone, Glacier, Zion, and other national parks and wild places, as well as the destruction that unfettered access causes.

Besides the obvious xenophobia, I am not sure how this would even address the issue. Over the last year there have been near zero foreign visitors, yet the crowds have been worse than ever.

bgum wrote:
I am sure that this will get a warm reception: It has been suggested that usa citizens or at least usa residents have unrestricted entry but noncitizens have ticketed entry.

I am sure that this will get a warm reception: It has been suggested that usa citizens or at least usa residents have unrestricted entry but noncitizens have ticketed entry.

dodge guy wrote:
This is a bad idea. These are our NP's! We should be able to go when we want! we were in CO last year and trying to get in RMNP was terrible because of the timed entry. We ended up with a 3:00 entry. And they are charging to get the timed entry. Hopefully this practice will stop.

Yes, they are "our" parks, and yes, we should be able to go whenever/wherever we want. But there are way too many of "us" and way too little of "them." Each of these places are worth a visit BECAUSE they are wild and unspoiled and beautiful and rugged, etc. But a seething wall-to-wall mass of human beings is none of those things, and unfettered access to the hordes seeking to visit these places results in the complete destruction of the very values those places have.

Sadly, not everyone CAN visit, especially not at the same time. Not and have there remain any reason to go there in the first place.

When we visited Glacier NP ten years ago, Going To The Sun Road was a major traffic jam. Seriously, it was bumper-to-bumper all the way up, then all the way back down as well. It was nigh impossible to stop at any of the waypoints because they were all packed full of cars already, with crowds milling about aimlessly at each. And it's gotten worse since then, and spread to many other NPs.

So, no, @Dodgeguy, it's not a bad idea to limit access in any of several ways. And yes indeed, those practices are going to continue for the foreseeable future; get used to it. If they don't, it won't be long until you won't want to go, there being nothing left to see.