Global climate change...in Iceland

Walaby wrote:
The hard part is deciding which is which.

That's made much easier by weighing the hard evidence and deciding for yourself. And by evidence I'm talking about publications like Scientific American and National Geographic, not Fox news and Breitbart.

If you allow yourself to believe the facts I think you'll find it difficult to come to any other conclusion that it's man who doing this to himself.

And just for fun. the Global warming / cooling / climate change gurus now say that Climate Change is caused by cows passing gas.

Me. I'm still waiting for the promised water in New York. It is about 17 years late.

shelbyfv wrote:
I understand the demographics of the RV hobby. Mostly middle aged to elderly males and a level of education that is nothing to brag about. It's still astonishing that so many seem proud to flaunt their ignorance. I see several are repeating the story about the NOAA scientist and the funding. Here's your link http://www.snopes.com/2017/02/08/noaa-scientists-climate-change-data/ Scientists thought the earth was flat? Seriously? Folks did but not scientists as we know them now. Do you have any sense of what it takes to reach a conclusion in the modern scientific world? Read up on the "scientific method" which has been in use since the 17th century. These are people who have made a commitment and put in the hard work that most of us have not been willing to do. To dismiss their findings because some talking head on your one source of TV news has some other agenda is nuts!

it's what and I don't know any other way to say it. But that is what Left wingers do when some one disagrees with them or they can't prove their point. They resort to insults.

Interesting! I'm a bit of a doubter myself. I happen to know that government support for science research is subject to political and corporate influence in my country and no doubt funding is a lot easier to get if the group is following the current trend.

I was given a book to read by a "respected" Australian "climate scientist" which my friend thought would prove climate change is not caused by human activity. It was easy to find out that the Australian was really an NZer geologist, who did an excellent chapter on geology, including many references. The next chapter and thesis of the book was that natural carbon emissions were 100 times as great as man made ones. One refererence on that, from a Canadian "climate scientist", who turned out to be a geographer who got his ph.d. by looking up temperature records in old Hudson's Bay Company records. Other sources I found said it was the other way round, human emissions 100 times natural ones.

I see human activity puts 10 000 million metric tonnes of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere annually. That seems a bit much to me. I think we should cut back on that, starting with burning coal which is the worst offender. https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-emissions-data

fulltimedaniel wrote:
Oh good god! So this is what we've come to? With this kind if insightful analysis and thoughtful logic I see in the climate change denialsits and those that think "FAKE" news comes from CNN and the BBC our country is in desperate straits for sure.

We may be the first empire that virtually ruled the world for so short a time (What 80 years?) and then failed of it's own collective stupidity.

Well here is just a few examples of CNN fake news for you

https://youtu.be/jTWY14eyMFg

https://youtu.be/LcmTeRB9Ni8

https://youtu.be/G6RHIhn_T6w

shelbyfv wrote:
Beyond my paygrade as well! Fortunately there are smart, dedicated folks in that paygrade and we should thank them for their hard work. JMO.

I believe there are smart, dedicated folks that know better than all of us combined, but I also believe there are equally a number of deceitful, manipulators, who will twist the truth for their personal gain.

The hard part is deciding which is which.

Mike

shelbyfv wrote:
Fortunately there are smart, dedicated folks in that paygrade and we should thank them for their hard work. JMO.

And I agree with your opinion. That's why they get paid and paid well to do what they do. I don't second-guess my dentist or the weatherman.

Beyond my paygrade as well! Fortunately there are smart, dedicated folks in that paygrade and we should thank them for their hard work. JMO.

I will say this about Global Warming/Climate change.

ONE: It is happening, anyone who denies that is either blind or mentally defective.

Two: WHY: is a question beyond my paygrade. I have seen conflicting evidence and have not the credentials to sort it out.. So can not comment on why.

Oh and Three: (This is a joke folks, do not take it seriously) The major cause of global warming is all that HOT AIR behing blown about on Capitol Hills.

I say again, that last statement (#3) is a JOKE.

The point I'm trying to make is that we aren't born knowing everything. When a subject gets complicated it takes more than "sounds good to me." Some things require a certain background or base of knowledge to understand. We all use experts we trust because we know they put in the effort to learn about something that we didn't. Doctors are the obvious example but there are plenty of others. Climate scientists know more about climate than we do. Period. Accepting that they are correct doesn't directly lead us to any particular course of action. We can do this, do that or do nothing. The path we take forward is up to us and is certainly subject for debate.