Good read about tires

I have about 5K on my Chinese Commodores. Made a 3600 mile round trip in May in the heat. No issues yet. E rated & 78 mph. I usually run around 65/70 mph. 12K+ toyhauler.

Where did you get chinese tires out of the link i posted ? I posted it because it talks about LT tires being acceptable on trailers, Goodyear ok with running Their ST 75mph and derating P when used on trailers.

skipnchar wrote:
I guess I was unaware that there was any QUESTION about using P rated tires for duel axle trailers. It's a lot like when Jethro said he wanted to be a brain surgeon or a street car conductor. They're two classes you seldom see compared because NOBODY would consider using Ps on a trailer would they?

Before we had ST tires it was a P or LT for our trailers.

This from another RV website from a poster with P tires;

P tires oem a 12k trailers


Santee
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Tire Replacement for Carriage Domani
I am a "newbie" to the RVing world. I would like to get some advice on tire replacement for my 2008 Carriage Domani. It has the original tires 285/50/20R Goodyear Fortena on it. The tires look great but I am concerned with the age since these are the orginals. Goodyear no longer makes the tire so I am faced with trying to replace them with Hankook or Nitro which have the same size and load range (116H). We are planning to do some long range traveling this summer and I would like to get some input. I just don't feel comfortable with 2008 tires! Thanks for listening.

transamz9 wrote:

NC Hauler wrote:

skipnchar wrote:
I guess I was unaware that there was any QUESTION about using P rated tires for duel axle trailers. It's a lot like when Jethro said he wanted to be a brain surgeon or a street car conductor. They're two classes you seldom see compared because NOBODY would consider using Ps on a trailer would they?

Yep, don't know anyone that would use a "P" rated tire on a trailer, but one never knows:)

I run "P" rated tires on my tandem boat trailer.

Don't see anything wrong with that...how much does your boat weigh? I'm sure it's not in the 16,000# range or in an E or D range is it? If it's able to carry weight of axle rating and the load isn't that heavy...I don't see an issue....When I stated trailer, I meant a TT or 5er that would exceed a P rated tire..nothing more, nothing less.

Do the research, search the name brands, I don't see that many ISO16969 and TS14,001 Chinese certified manufacturers...Just saying, actions speak louder than words. I'm in manufacturing and my company is a Tier 1 Supplier and work our tails off earning the above accreditations, year after year after year...You have to keep records of Quality processes, training in place and manufacturing, Engineering and R&D documentations. I don't see that in very many Chinese Manufacturing plants...and the one's I'm talking about are the no-name ST tire manufacturers..the one's that change their name once every two years or more often if needed....

Go to the name brands and Sailun has these certifications, and they're given to you, you have to earn them....I'm not talking about reputable tire manufacturers in China, if one is Michelin, then I trust they manufacture their tires as their reputation shows they are a trustworthy manufacturer with a well earned reputation...most ST China made tires are FAR from this reputation, Quality isn't an integral part of their process, as seen by all the problems they have with a lot of products coming into our country...most recent being dog food killing our pets....but hey, it's not "politically correct" for the US to make China mad, so we do nothing about their inferior imported products...sad, very sad....

NC Hauler wrote:

skipnchar wrote:
I guess I was unaware that there was any QUESTION about using P rated tires for duel axle trailers. It's a lot like when Jethro said he wanted to be a brain surgeon or a street car conductor. They're two classes you seldom see compared because NOBODY would consider using Ps on a trailer would they?

Yep, don't know anyone that would use a "P" rated tire on a trailer, but one never knows:)

I run "P" rated tires on my tandem boat trailer.

I would expect these quality standards to be met by Chinese manufactured Michelins, which were OEM on my Chinese manufactured Audi A6, neither of which are exported.

Most European, Japanese, and Korean companies manufacturing in China, for the market in China, have these process quality programs in place. We imposed them on our Chinese partners. Chinese consumers understand these differences and will pay premium prices for Japanese, Korean, German, Swiss and Swedish branded products manufactured locally, knowing that the products meet the standards of the brand-owning partners.

The real problems with Chinese manufactured exports for the U.S. market is that the importers are buying at the lowest prices they can get, having little involvement with the manufacturing source beyond the handshake and the contract.

China is beginning to understand this, and starting export quality Chinese brands (Haier being one example in appliances) learning to do their own marketing, manufacturing at higher cost to produce better quality, making up for it by eliminating the U.S.-side partners and middlemen whose emphasis on lowest cost for highest margins stands at the root of the quality problems.

Just as with our earlier experiences with Japan, Korea and Taiwan, the issue is not that the sources cannot or will not manufacture higher quality products, it is that the importers who set product specifications are asking for low costs and accepting junk.

Back to the original post, you must take advice from Tire Rack in the context of what it is, a marketing tool to convince you to buy what they want to sell you. That does not mean it is bad advice.

artguys wrote:
As I've posted on other threads...always check country of origin before giving up any form of payment. That is for any tire that comes from China. There are lots of very good choices in tires that come from the pacific rim, none from China that I know of.

Would almost completely agree, with the exception of the Sailun tire, which is manufactured in China, and as I stated earlier is a tire with a quality back ground..only one I know of made in china.. They're ISO16939 and 14001 accredited. You don't achieve these certifications without a quality processes put into the manufacturing process. Only Chinese manufactured tire that I'm aware of that has achieved this level of Quality and Manufacturing Management.

Anyone who would P tires on a trailer is not going to read this either. Some of the info in some of those tire topics was dubious.

As I've posted on other threads...always check country of origin before giving up any form of payment. That is for any tire that comes from China. There are lots of very good choices in tires that come from the pacific rim, none from China that I know of.