Goodyear Endurance long term review.

Cummins12V98 wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:
IMO there's nothing wrong with being brand loyal, but you just don't want to be brand loyal to the point of blindness. I'm brand loyal to B&W hitches, Sailun tires, and Honda motorcycles. And DeWalt cordless tools.

I am brand loyal to what serves me best. ONLY RV tire issue I have EVER had was on current DRV with GY "H" 17.5's. I had some pcs of the center tread come off, no loss of air. GY replaced that tire and 3 others. They had a batch in 2015 that had same issue. All of my RV tires have been GY since early to mid 90's. Not even a flat.

B&W has been great owning several of their products. Last is the B&W Tow N Stow ball setup!

I have owned 5 RAM trucks never left along the side of the road, well twice that I failed to add fuel!

I have owned many DeWalt cordless tools over my career and beyond into retirement.

Corded tools I have my favorites over several brands as each are the best IMHO.

I buy the highest quality most dependable products and have been served well over the years.

Could have bought the Chinese Made adjustable CURT at far less $$$.

Ya, same great tire you love . 4*1/2 year old Goodyear’ G114 I read about on the Montana forum with the blowout , one among many Goodyear blowouts reported there. No I did not say Endurance :)

fj12ryder wrote:
IMO there's nothing wrong with being brand loyal, but you just don't want to be brand loyal to the point of blindness. I'm brand loyal to B&W hitches, Sailun tires, and Honda motorcycles. And DeWalt cordless tools.

Sure, I meant as you pointed out ,this blindless and this RAH! RAH! over a TIRE

How about those Raiders did you see them hand it too the Broncos Monday night , now that’s RAH! RAH! :B

fj12ryder wrote:
IMO there's nothing wrong with being brand loyal, but you just don't want to be brand loyal to the point of blindness. I'm brand loyal to B&W hitches, Sailun tires, and Honda motorcycles. And DeWalt cordless tools.

I am brand loyal to what serves me best. ONLY RV tire issue I have EVER had was on current DRV with GY "H" 17.5's. I had some pcs of the center tread come off, no loss of air. GY replaced that tire and 3 others. They had a batch in 2015 that had same issue. All of my RV tires have been GY since early to mid 90's. Not even a flat.

B&W has been great owning several of their products. Last is the B&W Tow N Stow ball setup!

I have owned 5 RAM trucks never left along the side of the road, well twice that I failed to add fuel!

I have owned many DeWalt cordless tools over my career and beyond into retirement.

Corded tools I have my favorites over several brands as each are the best IMHO.

I buy the highest quality most dependable products and have been served well over the years.

Could have bought the Chinese Made adjustable CURT at far less $$$.

IMO there's nothing wrong with being brand loyal, but you just don't want to be brand loyal to the point of blindness. I'm brand loyal to B&W hitches, Sailun tires, and Honda motorcycles. And DeWalt cordless tools.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Just gots ta throw out a negative Nannie comment.

At least one has some humor. “;)”

Oh trust me there is plenty of humor in these tire threads . I just don’t drink the koolaid.
You brand loyalist crack me up, that’s for sure.

Just gots ta throw out a negative Nannie comment.

At least one has some humor. “;)”

fj12ryder wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Well when do I get my Degree in Tire Failure Science???

Thanks for the writeup CapriRacer!

What's y'all negative nannies have to say now???

Come back when those tires are 5 and 6 years old and have 30-40,000 miles on them. Oh wait, they don't last that long. :)

25K tire , no thanks. Yes 5-6 years, but you are correct they will probably
never make it that long .

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Well when do I get my Degree in Tire Failure Science???

Thanks for the writeup CapriRacer!

What's y'all negative nannies have to say now???

Come back when those tires are 5 and 6 years old and have 30-40,000 miles on them. Oh wait, they don't last that long. :)

Well when do I get my Degree in Tire Failure Science???

Thanks for the writeup CapriRacer!

What's y'all negative nannies have to say now???

A couple of thoughts:

Background: I spent the last 10 years of my career analyzing failed tires. It's amazing how much information you can pickup when you look closely and know what to look for. So - Yes - we can tell the difference between a road hazard failure and a structural failure not caused by a road hazard (or 90% of the time, anyway.)

The company I worked for had a good feedback system - known as the adjustment system. We credited dealers for tires they sent back that failed for a variety of reasons, including non-road hazard failures. Since we paid for the shipping, their only cost was the time and effort to fill out the paperwork. We got enough tires back to be able to plot year to year progress, and our data reached back decades.

To give you guys a feel for the volume of data we had, the production levels every year were in the 10's of millions, so even a 0.01% return rate meant thousands of tires.

One of the things we noticed was a consistent year to year return pattern. Returns for non-road hard failuires was tied to the summer heat. We hardly got any retirns in November to March.

Returns peaked in the third year after production, but you could get a quantifiable sense of how well a tire was doing after the second year.

I also spent a lot of time purusing the internet to get a feel for the amount of complaints conmpared to what was being sent back to us. It was clear that the complaint level was small compared to the quantity of tires we got back, but you could kind of gauge the relative performance.

Having said that, I started tracking the on-line reports of failures of the Goodyear Endurance ST tire line when it was introduced in the fall of 2016. That means the first production is in the last few months of the 3rd summer, and the second year of production is in the 2nd year. Because I have not seen any reported non-road hazard failures - compared to previous reported failures for the Marathon, I am declaring that Goodyear has fixed whatever problem they had with their ST tires.