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dzirkelb
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Feb 26, 2014

How will my truck handle these two 5th wheels?

2014 F 250 Diesel, crew cab.

I'm looking at the following 5th wheels:

http://kz-rv.com/stoneridge/39BH.html

http://www.heartlandrvs.com/index.php?p=35&c=fifthwheels&sc=SV&i=SV+38QBS&view=floorplans&fcmd=showfplan#showgallery

Both have the dry weight well within my trucks' limits, but the GVWR on both are 15,500, and the truck is listed at 15k. Anything I should be concerned with? Will my truck pull these ok, or not at all? I do plan to camp in the mountains on occasion, like every other year or so, and plan on going on some long trips
  • Dave, the long and short of it is, that a 10,000# loaded wt FW, will have a hitch weight around 2,000#s. When you add the hitch 200#=2,200, plus gear, family, anything in the truck, you will be well past sticker payload of 2,084#s.

    No one should say, don't worry about it! Many people disregard this safety number, and some are not even aware of it. You will have to make your own decision. Many just choose to follow the RAWR, when towing a FW.

    The good news, with much of your used up GVWR being the heavy diesel engine, it will be on the front axle. You should weigh the truck ready to camp, to determine how much is left on the rear axle. No one should be towing over the axle ratings!

    Jerry
  • The one I'm looking at now is as follows:

    UVW: 11980
    Dry Hitch Weight: 2165
    Dry Axle Weight: 9805
    Gross NCC: 4195
    Net NCC: 3409
  • My opinion is to shop 5er with dry pin weight 1000 pounds under payload. I think very few people will recommend a dry hitch weight that is already higher than payload.

    Do you already have the truck? If not, get the SRW 350. If so, focus on TT over 5er.

    Diesel 3/4 ton has a lot of power to pull 15k pounds. Not a lot of suspension to support 2k+ of pin weight.
  • Bummer. If you choose to do go 5er route: You'll be 1000-1500 pounds over GVWR with 2k-ish dry 5er. You'll be close on rear axle rating. You will want to increase rear suspension spring rate (air bags, overload springs, timbrens, etc).
  • Just an FYI here, but I have a payload rating of 2176lbs. My dry pin is 1385lbs. All loaded up I'm at 9000lbs on the 5'er. My pin randomly weighs in around 17-1800lbs. That puts my GVW total at 9800lbs. My RAWR is only 6000lbs (tire limited). My RAW is 4900lbs when hitched up. It's just the wife and I and we carry very little in the truck. If we do it's maybe 150lbs of firewood or two full 7 gal water jugs. We carry about 1500lbs+/- in the 5'er.
    If I go buy the RAWR then I have an extra 500lbs for pin to be under the RAWR with a small cushion. But that puts me over the GVW by 700lbs. I'm still way under the tow rating and GCVWR.
    If you're looking at 5'ers with UVW's of 119280lbs or 12,000lbs for figuring then figure 1000-1500lbs if stuff (average of 1250lbs) so 13,250lbs loaded. That puts you pin at 2700lbs (@20%)
    That's 616lbs over GVW not including you and the wife and whatever else.
    So add 300lbs for the two of you, now you have 3000lbs of payload. 916lbs over payload.
    IMO 11,000lbs or less loaded is a good weight to keep payload within reason. You won't be able to use the payload rating of the truck and get anything very heavy. Only way you can make it work for something other than a lite version 5'er is to use the RAWR
    The problem with 3/4 tons diesels is the low payload.
  • Just saw your other post and almost everyone recommended the F350 because of the extra payload. You will be overloaded with any of the fifth wheels you are looking at. Go smaller or be overloaded, your choice.
  • dzirkelb wrote:
    The one I'm looking at now is as follows:

    UVW: 11980
    Dry Hitch Weight: 2165
    Dry Axle Weight: 9805
    Gross NCC: 4195
    Net NCC: 3409


    And you will still exceed your payload rating significantly.
  • APT wrote:
    Bummer. If you choose to do go 5er route: You'll be 1000-1500 pounds over GVWR with 2k-ish dry 5er. You'll be close on rear axle rating. You will want to increase rear suspension spring rate (air bags, overload springs, timbrens, etc).


    OK, hashed enough. But lots of people this. Over GVWR, near GAWR and tire load on the rear. They mostly seem happy!

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