Is Yosemite really closed??

IndyCamp wrote:
Why did anyone think this would not turn into a political discussion? :S

Hope springs eternal?

Actually I had it at 3 to 1 odds that it would change 3 pages ago.

nickthehunter wrote:

R12RTee wrote:

nickthehunter wrote:

JJBIRISH wrote:
Quite simply put using blackmail and extortion to get what you already lost (twice) isn’t going to do it…

Let's just say for instance that there was a law in place like totally banning beer, wine and whiskey; or maybe condoning segregation. And to boot, lets just say the majority in this country oppose the laws. So if you felt with all of your being that those were a bad laws (A) should you just accept it and say nothing? Or (B) should you work tirelessly to overturn them? Just asking.

Don't be silly. "WE" the people voted in the last election and the LOSERS didn't like losing so they are throwing a hissy fit. A LAW has been passed by congress and the president and upheld by the Supreme court! The last election validated what the majority of AMERICANS want yet a small minority still thinks they are right and can't stop crying about it.

You're wrong about the majority of Americans - read the polls. But you are right, we are going to throw a hissy fit (or excercise our constitutional rights whatever you want to call it) and we won't stop. There will be changes made, you can bank on it. Just because a law was passed doesn't mean it's a good law. And notice I made my point without shouting and calling you a loser.

Yes and no about the polls just depends on how you read them.

For instance simply asking are you for or against Obamacare will get one response. Put the actual name of Affordable Care Act on it and it might get the opposite response. So what is that saying? Could be interpreted a couple of ways. Either way it shows just how misinformed the public is at least in regards to this subject.
Obamacare vs Affordable Care Act

Another interesting poll is when the question goes beyond simply whether they oppose the law but also asks why. When they did that they found that a fairly significant percentage of those opposed did so because they did not think it went far enough. The thought the law needed to actually be more liberal. If you take those numbers and roll them back into the number that support the law then you have a majority that are actually for the law.
Support or Oppose Obamacare and Why

Public parks closed by the gov't? Good grief, get used to it. Come out and visit us here in California for a month, we've been living in the 2nd Term of Obama for almost 8 years already. Better yet, move here - we need more good people like y'all around at election time before we're Detroit-squared. :)

Cloud Dancer wrote:
They lost the election, then they proclaimed that they were going to do everything in their power to hurt the President. And, that's what is happening.
Has that ever happened before?
IMO this invites the other party to say the same thing, next time. AND, so on and so forth. Which means there might not be any more legislation. I supposed that wouldn't be such a bad thing. Because, the whole world will take notice that we don't need ANY of these people anymore. Think of the savings.

Have they ever proclaimed before "I will not negotiate"? What did he think was going to happen. Everyone bow down and kiss his ring? He threw down the gauntlet, we're up to the chanllenge. So be it, let the chips fall where they may.

At least the mods are letting this one run - so we should keep it civil and discuss this with some kind of reasonable tone.

In addition: Regardless of who votes how and why, the Obama plan will not work as written. No way, no how, and not practical - look at the mess already when citizens tried to sign up or enroll, let alone figure out the funding for it.
Enough said here.

We have a perfectly functional health care system in place right now. Medicare, and a perfectly well functioning accounting system for it, and every single person in this country are already enrolled (under 65 pay in, over 65 use it). No reason the health care premiums the workers and employers pay now can't support a national health care system that will become self-funding of we program it correctly.

Think of the amount each person and every employer pay RIGHT NOW for health care coverage. If we put that into a national system, and remove the enormous expense and overhead of the HMO's (don't get me started here) we'll all have health coverage instead of building and maintaining nationwide HMOs that produce paperwork instead of health care - AND, we wouldn't be in this shutdown mess.

Why did anyone think this would not turn into a political discussion? :S

JJBIRISH wrote:
Quite simply put using blackmail and extortion to get what you already lost (twice) isn’t going to do it…

I agree. The Dems lost the house in the prior two elections and now they are throwing a hissy fit because they can't get their own way.

They lost the election, then they proclaimed that they were going to do everything in their power to hurt the President. And, that's what is happening.
Has that ever happened before?
IMO this invites the other party to say the same thing, next time. AND, so on and so forth. Which means there might not be any more legislation. I supposed that wouldn't be such a bad thing. Because, the whole world will take notice that we don't need ANY of these people anymore. Think of the savings.

To our visitors from Italy..and to us... America seems to have developed a case of ... Weirdness.

Perhaps we'll skip Mt. Rushmore this year and try the Oregon Coast?

dave54 wrote:

nickthehunter wrote:
...Blocking off a turnout along a road so you can't pull off the road, stop, and take a picture of mt. Rushmore is not shutting down the government. That's plain being a donkeys rear end. That's the kind of "stupid stuff" people are refering to that's over and above shutting down the government.

From my house I have a nice view of Lassen Peak and the high country of Lassen Volcanic National Park. In the last few days I realized I am committing a felony by looking out my window. I wonder if the NPS rangers are going to patrol my street making sure everyone has their curtains closed.

Last year they closed Lassen so it could burn up.......Kinda worry about those in charge. I enjoy the view too. Incredible sunrise this morning.