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Oct 06, 2021

Needless kaos and carnage on the Beeline highway...

Highway 87 aka the Beeline Highway runs north from Mesa {just east of Phoenix} north 75 miles to and through Payson continuing on to provide a good route for the RV crowd to the I-40 corridor {Flagsta...

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From Mesa it is good 4 lane {with wide paved shoulders} of mostly divided highway. It does however have a lot of steep climbs {6 to 7 percent} as it winds up through the mountains.

We live in Payson and drive it often for our frequent trips to the Phoenix area. Yesterday I had an 1100 appointment at the VA Medical Center and planned some shopping while we were in Phoenix. The forecast accurately called for heavy rain throughout the day and they got that spot on.

About 20 miles south of payson and in heavy rain some fool from the shallow end of the gene pool blew by us doing 80+ mph. My bride and I noted that we would look forward to seeing this moron receiving a ticket somewhere down the road... he should have been so lucky.

On a long 6 percent downhill he lost control on a right hand sweeper. The rear end smashed into the concrete barrier which propelled him at a 90 degree angle across both lanes and the shoulder into the the opposite barrier. He spun back across both lanes and between the debris that used to be the front and rear ends of his car blocked the entire highway straddling the line between the lanes.

We were about 6 cars and one large truck back and in just minutes the Beeline was shut down with the backup stretching for miles {no alternate routes are available, everyone was stuck}. Volunteers cleared the debris and a dually pickup managed to tow the car far enough to finally clear one lane and the road was partially opened after 30 minutes.

As we crept past the wreck the driver was laid out one his back, a blanket covering him from his chin to to his feet. Eyes closed he was not moving and a man was carefully holding his head with both hands. I'll never know if he survived, frankly I doubt it but when I told another driver that he had blown by us at 80 + {in a 65 mph zone in heavy rain} he said that moments before the wreck he had just passed him doing closer to 90.

Ten miles further south we came across another bad wreck involving 3 northbound cars two of which looked to be totaled. Several hours later as we returned home we encountered 3 more wrecks... at the first multiple northbound cars had been cleared and we got by OK. 20 miles later the southbound lanes were closed due to another involving at least two cars and then we came across a large box truck laying on its side blocking all of one lane and a portion of the other but we were able to skirt around it.

Folks these were wrecks, not accidents. Excessive speed and and lack of the proper following distance were all too obvious throughout out our trip and the consequences were tragic. While the Beeline is generally pretty good road for all types and sizes of RV traffic give yourself plenty of time and think twice if the weather is severe {and it often can be}.

Because there are no alternate routes {frontage roads or intersecting highway} once the Beeline gets shut down due to a wreck it is difficult/next to impossible for emergency vehicles to respond. After 30 minutes there were still no LEO's or paramedics on the first scene and those that we encountered further down the highway were all involved in other wrecks.

Be safe out there... no reason not to. :E

Just sayin,","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2021-10-06T09:16:17.000-07:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[{"__typename":"TagEdge","cursor":"MjUuMnwyLjF8b3wxMHxfTlZffDE","node":{"__typename":"Tag","id":"tag:Seeking Advice","text":"Seeking Advice","time":"2008-05-20T21:25:05.000-07:00","lastActivityTime":null,"messagesCount":null,"followersCount":null}}]},"timeToRead":3,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3513000_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":6425},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"body":"Highway 87 aka the Beeline Highway runs north from Mesa {just east of Phoenix} north 75 miles to and through Payson continuing on to provide a good route for the RV crowd to the I-40 corridor {Flagstaff, Winslow and Holbrook}. From Mesa it is good 4 lane {with wide paved shoulders} of mostly divided highway. It does however have a lot of steep climbs {6 to 7 percent} as it winds up through the mountains.

We live in Payson and drive it often for our frequent trips to the Phoenix area. Yesterday I had an 1100 appointment at the VA Medical Center and planned some shopping while we were in Phoenix. The forecast accurately called for heavy rain throughout the day and they got that spot on.

About 20 miles south of payson and in heavy rain some fool from the shallow end of the gene pool blew by us doing 80+ mph. My bride and I noted that we would look forward to seeing this moron receiving a ticket somewhere down the road... he should have been so lucky.

On a long 6 percent downhill he lost control on a right hand sweeper. The rear end smashed into the concrete barrier which propelled him at a 90 degree angle across both lanes and the shoulder into the the opposite barrier. He spun back across both lanes and between the debris that used to be the front and rear ends of his car blocked the entire highway straddling the line between the lanes.

We were about 6 cars and one large truck back and in just minutes the Beeline was shut down with the backup stretching for miles {no alternate routes are available, everyone was stuck}. Volunteers cleared the debris and a dually pickup managed to tow the car far enough to finally clear one lane and the road was partially opened after 30 minutes.

As we crept past the wreck the driver was laid out one his back, a blanket covering him from his chin to to his feet. Eyes closed he was not moving and a man was carefully holding his head with both hands. I'll never know if he survived, frankly I doubt it but when I told another driver that he had blown by us at 80 + {in a 65 mph zone in heavy rain} he said that moments before the wreck he had just passed him doing closer to 90.

Ten miles further south we came across another bad wreck involving 3 northbound cars two of which looked to be totaled. Several hours later as we returned home we encountered 3 more wrecks... at the first multiple northbound cars had been cleared and we got by OK. 20 miles later the southbound lanes were closed due to another involving at least two cars and then we came across a large box truck laying on its side blocking all of one lane and a portion of the other but we were able to skirt around it.

Folks these were wrecks, not accidents. Excessive speed and and lack of the proper following distance were all too obvious throughout out our trip and the consequences were tragic. While the Beeline is generally pretty good road for all types and sizes of RV traffic give yourself plenty of time and think twice if the weather is severe {and it often can be}.

Because there are no alternate routes {frontage roads or intersecting highway} once the Beeline gets shut down due to a wreck it is difficult/next to impossible for emergency vehicles to respond. After 30 minutes there were still no LEO's or paramedics on the first scene and those that we encountered further down the highway were all involved in other wrecks.

Be safe out there... no reason not to. :E

Just sayin,","customFields":[]},"Conversation:conversation:3513000":{"__typename":"Conversation","id":"conversation:3513000","solved":false,"topic":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3513000"},"lastPostingActivityTime":"2021-10-09T13:20:29.000-07:00","lastPostTime":"2021-10-09T13:20:29.000-07:00","unreadReplyCount":24,"isSubscribed":false},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3513000":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3513000","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"Revision:revision:3513000_1":{"__typename":"Revision","id":"revision:3513000_1","lastEditTime":"2021-10-06T09:16:17.000-07:00"},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3513012":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","id":"message:3513012","conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3513000"},"author":{"__ref":"User:user:176982"},"revisionNum":1,"uid":3513012,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"subject":"Re: Needless kaos and carnage on the Beeline highway...","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3513012"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3513000"},"body":"
Grit dog wrote:
toedtoes wrote:
Most law enforcement, etc, no longer use the word \"accident\". Instead they use \"crash\". Because in 95 percent or more of incidents it was not an accident.

If any traffic law was broken, is it not an accident? If it was caused by someone else, is it not an accident because you can't be sure they didn't do it on purpose?

In some legal contexts, \"accident\" has the implication that nobody is at fault or bears legal responsibility. If a bolt of lightning struck a vehicle and destroyed it, that would presumably be considered an accident; but if someone ran a red light and destroyed the vehicle, that would not be an accident in such contexts.

In general everyday use, however, the word accident doesn't carry this additional connotation; it merely means something that was not done intentionally. Indeed, it seems to me that there's most often a bit of an implication that an accident could have been avoided with care or foresight. A toddler peeing his or her pants has an accident. Bob Ross putting a brush stroke in not quite the right place has a happy little accident. A speeding car careening off the road is in an accident, assuming the driver wasn't actually setting out to commit suicide or attempt a dangerous bit of stunt driving.

I personally don't very much appreciate people attempting to redefine the common, everyday meaning of words to match technical legal definitions. I'll continue to call entirely preventable but unintended misfortunes accidents.","body@stringLength":"1609","rawBody":"
Grit dog wrote:
toedtoes wrote:
Most law enforcement, etc, no longer use the word \"accident\". Instead they use \"crash\". Because in 95 percent or more of incidents it was not an accident.

If any traffic law was broken, is it not an accident? If it was caused by someone else, is it not an accident because you can't be sure they didn't do it on purpose?

In some legal contexts, \"accident\" has the implication that nobody is at fault or bears legal responsibility. If a bolt of lightning struck a vehicle and destroyed it, that would presumably be considered an accident; but if someone ran a red light and destroyed the vehicle, that would not be an accident in such contexts.

In general everyday use, however, the word accident doesn't carry this additional connotation; it merely means something that was not done intentionally. Indeed, it seems to me that there's most often a bit of an implication that an accident could have been avoided with care or foresight. A toddler peeing his or her pants has an accident. Bob Ross putting a brush stroke in not quite the right place has a happy little accident. A speeding car careening off the road is in an accident, assuming the driver wasn't actually setting out to commit suicide or attempt a dangerous bit of stunt driving.

I personally don't very much appreciate people attempting to redefine the common, everyday meaning of words to match technical legal definitions. I'll continue to call entirely preventable but unintended misfortunes 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Very curious if you log much snow/ice driving on them. Could be a good option for a steer tire at the very least.

I just put my Nokian Hakka LTs back on for the 3rd season. Still not showing any signs of wear. Still like velcro. They've thrown a few studs though. Only problem is they're only rated for 3600-ish lbs. To my knowledge there isn't a 19.5\" Nokian 3pmsf tire, but if anyone else knows otherwise, let me know!","body@stringLength":"449","rawBody":"Good info. Very curious if you log much snow/ice driving on them. Could be a good option for a steer tire at the very least.

I just put my Nokian Hakka LTs back on for the 3rd season. Still not showing any signs of wear. Still like velcro. They've thrown a few studs though. Only problem is they're only rated for 3600-ish lbs. To my knowledge there isn't a 19.5\" Nokian 3pmsf tire, but if anyone else knows otherwise, let me know!","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2020-12-17T06:26:10.000-08:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3232937_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":745},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3232904"},"replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:271965":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:271965","deleted":false,"uid":271965,"login":"swhunter","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2018-11-06T18:05:06.000-08:00"}}}}},"page":"/forums/ForumMessagePage/ForumMessagePage","query":{"boardId":"rvtipstricks","messageSubject":"needless-kaos-and-carnage-on-the-beeline-highway-","messageId":"3513000","replyId":"3513012"},"buildId":"q_bLpq2mflH0BeZigxpj6","runtimeConfig":{"buildInformationVisible":false,"logLevelApp":"info","logLevelMetrics":"info","openTelemetryClientEnabled":false,"openTelemetryConfigName":"campingworld","openTelemetryServiceVersion":"25.2.0","openTelemetryUniverse":"prod","openTelemetryCollector":"http://localhost:4318","openTelemetryRouteChangeAllowedTime":"5000","apolloDevToolsEnabled":false,"inboxMuteWipFeatureEnabled":false},"isFallback":false,"isExperimentalCompile":false,"dynamicIds":["./components/seo/QAPageSchema/QAPageSchema.tsx","./components/community/Navbar/NavbarWidget.tsx","./components/community/Breadcrumb/BreadcrumbWidget.tsx","./components/messages/TopicWithThreadedReplyListWidget/TopicWithThreadedReplyListWidget.tsx","./components/nodes/NodeActionButtonWidget/NodeActionButtonWidget.tsx","./components/nodes/NodeInformationWidget/NodeInformationWidget.tsx","./components/messages/RelatedContentWidget/RelatedContentWidget.tsx","./components/customComponent/CustomComponent/CustomComponent.tsx","./components/community/FooterWidget/FooterWidget.tsx","./components/messages/MessageView/MessageViewStandard/MessageViewStandard.tsx","./components/community/FooterWidgetHelpLink/FooterWidgetHelpLink.tsx","./components/community/KhorosLogo/KhorosLogo.tsx","./components/nodes/NodeView/NodeView.tsx","./components/nodes/NodeView/NodeViewCard/NodeViewCard.tsx","../shared/client/components/common/List/UnstyledList/UnstyledList.tsx","./components/messages/MessageView/MessageView.tsx","./components/messages/MessageView/MessageViewInline/MessageViewInline.tsx","./components/customComponent/CustomComponentContent/TemplateContent.tsx","../shared/client/components/common/List/UnwrappedList/UnwrappedList.tsx","./components/tags/TagView/TagView.tsx","./components/tags/TagView/TagViewChip/TagViewChip.tsx"],"appGip":true,"scriptLoader":[]}