You guys that keep talking about us not being able to define quality,.....you are getting on my nerves. Many of us can tell if a car or a motorhome or a house or clothes or shoes or vacations or jewelry or.....etc, etc is of good, or excellent quality. And, some of us even know where to find most of these items. SO, read my lips, speaking for myself, I have NEVER been able to afford the highest quality. I have always looked for quality that I can live with, and that I can afford. It pretty much describes every material thing that I have. This includes my nice big motorhome. It's a keeper, now that I've redone some of the bonehead design deficiencies and fixed most of the factory screwups. There's no need in describing all these negative discoveries, heck it was designed/built back in 2003. By now, they probably produce a better product. I'll never find out.