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Andersen No-Sway Experience

Over all I give the Andersen a thumbs up. Initial install is simple and quick. Its ability to move weight forward on your rig is surprisingly good. It pulls well and handles sway about as well as coul...

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A couple notes here. I will preface this by saying that I am a class 1 driver with a substantial amount of experience hauling god awful sized loads to places where trucks are not really meant to go, if it has wheels, I have driven or pulled it. Hooking up a pickup truck to a 36 foot long 12 foot high 10000 pound brick shaped sail balanced on a 3 foot fulcrum and heading down the road is not a task for beginners. While many companies make claims about control and elimination of trailer sway, wind is still a killer. Simply put, in my experience, if you are heading into a wind that is between head on and full cross wind, your trailer and in a 5th wheels case, your entire rig is going to move and shove ya around. Sway will happen. How a hitch responds to that is the piece of the puzzle we can talk about.
The Andersen uses the friction liner as a sway control device. And really, I think it performs as well as can be expected. You can feel the trailer move a bit, but then on its return trip, it just seems to settle back in behind the TV. Keep in mind I pulled across hwy 1 in southern Saskatchewan which is in my opinion one of the worst places in Canada for cross winds, I and many truckers I know hate that stretch or road. I had one occasion where I crested a hill caught a gust and the trailer along with the back end of my truck magically moved over half a lane to the passenger side. Soft brakes, kept the truck going straight and a gently squeeze of the trailer brake, no drama, trailer slides back in behind me, and away we go. Notable as well was that outside of the crosswind fun (which every other trailer on the road was fighting with), very little drama was experienced from tractor trailers passing either way.
Back to the hitch. I played around with the hitch set up a few times and found that you can change how your rig feels to you with quite small changes in the tightness of the chains. What I ended up with was a slight nose down angle on the trailer (intentional), maybe 3/16 compression of the bushings, and about a 1.5 inch drop at the back of my truck. Steering axel of the truck ended up with about a 1/16 inch rise, and a loss of about 180kg from without the trailer (I played around at the self-weigh scales to get a handle on how well the chains worked) At the next stop I tightened them up a bit and the front squatted back down a hair more so I am guessing my final set up had me losing about 100 kg off the steering axel. This setup changed a few times over the course of the trip as I played with it to get it dialed in. One thing to remember here, I am pulling a big rear travel trailer. The 325b is a substantial unit, see the 10000 brick comment above, LOL. I was well within GVW on both TV and Trailer and GCVW on the complete Rig, but it is a big combination rolling down the road.
What you will notice with this hitch, (aside from the fact that all that snapping, popping and creaking is absent) is that your truck and trailer feel connected, but not as much as a single unit. The anti-bounce of the Andersen may have something to do with this. As you go over the dips, you will feel the trailer move, but it does not shove you up and down or heaven forbid, sideways after the bump, it just settles back behind you. I think the thing I liked most about the Andersen is that the trailer feels “predictable”. Perhaps it is just the experienced trailer haulers who will really get what I mean here, but the trailer does what you expect it to, but allows you to concentrate on driving your tow vehicle. I will continue to play with the setup to see if I can dial it in even more, but for now I am very happy with the unit and feel great recommending it to others.","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2013-07-17T08:12:15.000-07:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":3,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:664394_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":14174},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"customFields":[],"body":"Over all I give the Andersen a thumbs up. Initial install is simple and quick. Its ability to move weight forward on your rig is surprisingly good. It pulls well and handles sway about as well as could be expected.
A couple notes here. I will preface this by saying that I am a class 1 driver with a substantial amount of experience hauling god awful sized loads to places where trucks are not really meant to go, if it has wheels, I have driven or pulled it. Hooking up a pickup truck to a 36 foot long 12 foot high 10000 pound brick shaped sail balanced on a 3 foot fulcrum and heading down the road is not a task for beginners. While many companies make claims about control and elimination of trailer sway, wind is still a killer. Simply put, in my experience, if you are heading into a wind that is between head on and full cross wind, your trailer and in a 5th wheels case, your entire rig is going to move and shove ya around. Sway will happen. How a hitch responds to that is the piece of the puzzle we can talk about.
The Andersen uses the friction liner as a sway control device. And really, I think it performs as well as can be expected. You can feel the trailer move a bit, but then on its return trip, it just seems to settle back in behind the TV. Keep in mind I pulled across hwy 1 in southern Saskatchewan which is in my opinion one of the worst places in Canada for cross winds, I and many truckers I know hate that stretch or road. I had one occasion where I crested a hill caught a gust and the trailer along with the back end of my truck magically moved over half a lane to the passenger side. Soft brakes, kept the truck going straight and a gently squeeze of the trailer brake, no drama, trailer slides back in behind me, and away we go. Notable as well was that outside of the crosswind fun (which every other trailer on the road was fighting with), very little drama was experienced from tractor trailers passing either way.
Back to the hitch. I played around with the hitch set up a few times and found that you can change how your rig feels to you with quite small changes in the tightness of the chains. What I ended up with was a slight nose down angle on the trailer (intentional), maybe 3/16 compression of the bushings, and about a 1.5 inch drop at the back of my truck. Steering axel of the truck ended up with about a 1/16 inch rise, and a loss of about 180kg from without the trailer (I played around at the self-weigh scales to get a handle on how well the chains worked) At the next stop I tightened them up a bit and the front squatted back down a hair more so I am guessing my final set up had me losing about 100 kg off the steering axel. This setup changed a few times over the course of the trip as I played with it to get it dialed in. One thing to remember here, I am pulling a big rear travel trailer. The 325b is a substantial unit, see the 10000 brick comment above, LOL. I was well within GVW on both TV and Trailer and GCVW on the complete Rig, but it is a big combination rolling down the road.
What you will notice with this hitch, (aside from the fact that all that snapping, popping and creaking is absent) is that your truck and trailer feel connected, but not as much as a single unit. The anti-bounce of the Andersen may have something to do with this. As you go over the dips, you will feel the trailer move, but it does not shove you up and down or heaven forbid, sideways after the bump, it just settles back behind you. I think the thing I liked most about the Andersen is that the trailer feels “predictable”. Perhaps it is just the experienced trailer haulers who will really get what I mean here, but the trailer does what you expect it to, but allows you to concentrate on driving your tow vehicle. I will continue to play with the setup to see if I can dial it in even more, but for now I am very happy with the unit and feel great recommending it to others."},"Conversation:conversation:664394":{"__typename":"Conversation","id":"conversation:664394","solved":false,"topic":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:664394"},"lastPostingActivityTime":"2013-09-10T13:37:51.000-07:00","lastPostTime":"2013-09-10T13:37:51.000-07:00","unreadReplyCount":58,"isSubscribed":false},"ModerationData:moderation_data:664394":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:664394","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"Revision:revision:664394_1":{"__typename":"Revision","id":"revision:664394_1","lastEditTime":"2013-07-17T08:12:15.000-07:00"},"ForumReplyMessage:message:664447":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","id":"message:664447","conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:664394"},"author":{"__ref":"User:user:208807"},"revisionNum":1,"uid":664447,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"subject":"Re: Andersen No-Sway Experience","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:664447"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:664394"},"body":"Hi All...

As a an answer tocampigloo, Yes the hitch does an amazing job at reducing the porpoising effect.

I was not going to \"Go here\" but...
I had an opportunity to pull my setup with a Blue Ox round bar system I picked up used, (1000 lb Bars) and a friction sway control bar. Same roads as I normally travel, same weather conditions...
For starters, the sway control bar is currently in a ditch north of Saskatoon where I threw it in disgust after pulling over in a road side pull out to put my Andersen back on. I will comment no further on friction sway control bars other then to say Andersens system is LIGHT YEARS ahead of these steel sticks. On to the round bar system... FAWR: On the scales my front axel weighs about 20 to 40KG more with the Blue Ox. It did take more weight off the drives and lift the rear end of the truck a little more then the Andersen (approx. 1/3 to 1/2 inch?). Honestly I do not remember the exact numbers and did not write em down as I knew I was getting rid of the round bar hitch anyhow. (explanation forthcoming). And before anyone asks yes I drained all the air out of the bags prior to weighing)
Driving impressions: If I had never towed with the Andersen I would tell you that the Blue ox did just fine(which fundamentally, it did). The differences between driving with one then the other are mostly subtle, but in a couple of cases not so subtle. I found that on roads where the driving surface is not smooth and there is a lot of rocking side to side the blue ox liked to transfer the trailer rock to the truck. You go over the bumps, then the trailer goes over and it is like the trailer tries to rock the truck again. Not an issue from a control standpoint, but not pleasant (DW says it makes her car sick). The anti bounce... This is where the Andersen shines. Any of you who have read my comments previously have heard this before... The Andersens ability to settle the nose of the trailer back in behind the TV is a god send. The round bar just seemed to amplify the up and down motion of the trailers nose and continued the see saw effect even after the bump, train tracks are where it is most noticeable, (again, see car sick comment above).
More subtle is the connection feel between the TV and the TT. The Round bar absolutely \"connected the two\". Whereas the Andersen lets the trailer ride along behind you a little more. I am personally a lot more comfortable with the Andersens feel. It's like I have more control over the TV and the trailer is just riding behind me, as opposed to having to control both units at the same time. I am betting that to most of you this makes little sense, but if you have run with a No-Sway or driven a tractor-trailer (Semi) you will probably know what I am referring to. Even outside of the bigger bumps that gentle ongoing porpoising that often happens when pulling a trailer is no where near as pronounced with the Andersen (Again see car sick comment)
For me, with my particular setup, The Andersen delivered a substantially more relaxing and drama free towing experience then did the Blue Ox and for what ever reason, DW does not get car sick with it like she did with the Round Bars.
The Andersen is not a \"poor performing WD Hitch\" It is a \"Different performing WD Hitch\".
I think TomG2 and I are on the same page here with this piece of equipment... If you are in a situation where you require a hitch that will remove a substantial amount of weight from the drive axel, this is just not the right hitch for ya. Assuming you have an appropriate TV and want a hitch that is quiet, clean, simple and makes the towing experience more pleasurable, not just for the driver, but for the family as well, maybe the Andersen No-Sway is right for you.
Each of us needs to make the right decision for us in our own situation. If what you feel is right is laying out spread sheets and comparing products mathematically, Go for it, give er, all the more power to ya. I did enough math to know that I am well within what my equipment is rated for. Beyond that, I would rather trust the actual towing experience. Maybe that is learned from my years of driving Tractor-Trailer and pushing Rigs, but for me, it works.

Happy Camping (and towing)","body@stringLength":"4299","rawBody":"Hi All...

As a an answer tocampigloo, Yes the hitch does an amazing job at reducing the porpoising effect.

I was not going to \"Go here\" but...
I had an opportunity to pull my setup with a Blue Ox round bar system I picked up used, (1000 lb Bars) and a friction sway control bar. Same roads as I normally travel, same weather conditions...
For starters, the sway control bar is currently in a ditch north of Saskatoon where I threw it in disgust after pulling over in a road side pull out to put my Andersen back on. I will comment no further on friction sway control bars other then to say Andersens system is LIGHT YEARS ahead of these steel sticks. On to the round bar system... FAWR: On the scales my front axel weighs about 20 to 40KG more with the Blue Ox. It did take more weight off the drives and lift the rear end of the truck a little more then the Andersen (approx. 1/3 to 1/2 inch?). Honestly I do not remember the exact numbers and did not write em down as I knew I was getting rid of the round bar hitch anyhow. (explanation forthcoming). And before anyone asks yes I drained all the air out of the bags prior to weighing)
Driving impressions: If I had never towed with the Andersen I would tell you that the Blue ox did just fine(which fundamentally, it did). The differences between driving with one then the other are mostly subtle, but in a couple of cases not so subtle. I found that on roads where the driving surface is not smooth and there is a lot of rocking side to side the blue ox liked to transfer the trailer rock to the truck. You go over the bumps, then the trailer goes over and it is like the trailer tries to rock the truck again. Not an issue from a control standpoint, but not pleasant (DW says it makes her car sick). The anti bounce... This is where the Andersen shines. Any of you who have read my comments previously have heard this before... The Andersens ability to settle the nose of the trailer back in behind the TV is a god send. The round bar just seemed to amplify the up and down motion of the trailers nose and continued the see saw effect even after the bump, train tracks are where it is most noticeable, (again, see car sick comment above).
More subtle is the connection feel between the TV and the TT. The Round bar absolutely \"connected the two\". Whereas the Andersen lets the trailer ride along behind you a little more. I am personally a lot more comfortable with the Andersens feel. It's like I have more control over the TV and the trailer is just riding behind me, as opposed to having to control both units at the same time. I am betting that to most of you this makes little sense, but if you have run with a No-Sway or driven a tractor-trailer (Semi) you will probably know what I am referring to. Even outside of the bigger bumps that gentle ongoing porpoising that often happens when pulling a trailer is no where near as pronounced with the Andersen (Again see car sick comment)
For me, with my particular setup, The Andersen delivered a substantially more relaxing and drama free towing experience then did the Blue Ox and for what ever reason, DW does not get car sick with it like she did with the Round Bars.
The Andersen is not a \"poor performing WD Hitch\" It is a \"Different performing WD Hitch\".
I think TomG2 and I are on the same page here with this piece of equipment... If you are in a situation where you require a hitch that will remove a substantial amount of weight from the drive axel, this is just not the right hitch for ya. Assuming you have an appropriate TV and want a hitch that is quiet, clean, simple and makes the towing experience more pleasurable, not just for the driver, but for the family as well, maybe the Andersen No-Sway is right for you.
Each of us needs to make the right decision for us in our own situation. If what you feel is right is laying out spread sheets and comparing products mathematically, Go for it, give er, all the more power to ya. I did enough math to know that I am well within what my equipment is rated for. Beyond that, I would rather trust the actual towing experience. Maybe that is learned from my years of driving Tractor-Trailer and pushing Rigs, but for me, it works.

Happy Camping (and 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