RV Fuel Issues & Prices - Post 'Em Here!

tomman58 wrote:
Lindsay is back for a day and some are clamoring to kill this thread, pathetic.

I am thankful for diesel not exceeding $5.00 a gallon. Back in 2008 Diesel went over 5 bucks for a short time. When I put together my budget for retirement I used $7.00 for my fuel requirements. We sure have beat that and when you couple it 3% inflation we have had a great run for those 9 years. Let us hope that now with a glut in oil we can enjoy more years of low costs. When RVing I get 11MPG mostly and that my friends equals a great retirement.

Yep. We have noticed the annual diesel bill is a lot lower these last couple years. I remember not too long ago thinking about the 300 dollar fill ups heading south in the fall. eeek. A lot less painful the last couple years.

Maybe by the time we down size to a b class 24 footer we are hoping the Electric version will be out. Our timetable is always changing but 3 to 7 years I would say. We'll have to wait and see.

Lindsay is back for a day and some are clamoring to kill this thread, pathetic.

I am thankful for diesel not exceeding $5.00 a gallon. Back in 2008 Diesel went over 5 bucks for a short time. When I put together my budget for retirement I used $7.00 for my fuel requirements. We sure have beat that and when you couple it 3% inflation we have had a great run for those 9 years. Let us hope that now with a glut in oil we can enjoy more years of low costs. When RVing I get 11MPG mostly and that my friends equals a great retirement.

pianotuna That graph is rated capacity not actual. Solar and wind average less than 25% of the rated capacity, so your chart does not show what you wanted it to. Sorry.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"I guess it depends where your power comes from. In many countries most of the power does not come from fossil fuel. In my province pretty much all power comes from water falling over a turbine."

Well then you are killing Salmon!!!

There is NO free lunch. OH let's not forget the horrific Nuclear power.

I think someone should start a new topic and get back to the intent of this thread!

MODERATOR ???

Yep. No free lunch. But then again im not aware of anyone with the illusion there is one. Most are just looking for a better way and maybe ways to do a little less damage. Always important to move forward.

Cheers. Stay safe on the road.

John and Angela.

"I guess it depends where your power comes from. In many countries most of the power does not come from fossil fuel. In my province pretty much all power comes from water falling over a turbine."

Well then you are killing Salmon!!!

There is NO free lunch. OH let's not forget the horrific Nuclear power.

I think someone should start a new topic and get back to the intent of this thread!

MODERATOR ???

Hi,

The UK and Germany both have days where they are well over that 50% mark. It won't take long for that to become months.

It appears Iceland, Norway, and Sweden are all over 50% from renewable energy--but not from just solar and winf.


The electric companies are now billing separately for "transmission" costs. That is their new model for staying afloat financially.

I'm more a fan of solar than of wind. The reason is that solar can be designed with no moving parts.

Here is an interesting link:

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-consumption-and-power-mix-charts

It features this graph:

LindsayRichards wrote:
I know of no countries that get 50% of their power from these two sources on a yearly basis,

There are 3 countries that get most of their power from hydro (Costa Rica, New Zealand, and Norway). This is related to their topography. The environmentalist have sued hydro here in the US preventing any new construction. We haven't built a major dam in the US for over 30 years. We are concentrating on wind and solar. I know of no countries that get 50% of their power from these two sources on a yearly basis, World wide,it is less than 0.5%. Cheap and efficient storage systems don't yet exist. States are starting to outlaw net metering which is unfair to non solar customers.I will be the first on my block to get it when it makes sense.

LindsayRichards wrote:
We have over 200 years of natural gas with today's technology. Coal is losing ground in the US due to natural gas due to fracking, but not in most of the world. See link below about coal usage in CHina and India so far this year.

https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2017-06-26/coal-on-the-rise-in-china-us-india-after-record-2016-drop



Electric and hybrids make up 0.7% of new vehicle sales and may not be as clean as you think. Most of the recharging power comes from fossil fuels. You are exchanging the tail pipe for the smoke stack. See at link below about making them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_WscmJSB2c


The notion that wind and solar are cheaper that natural gas depend on the crazy notion that billions of dollars of medical costs and hundred thousand people die each year from it. Please name one.

I guess it depends where your power comes from. In many countries most of the power does not come from fossil fuel. In my province pretty much all power comes from water falling over a turbine.

Besides. This is more about what the future holds than the present. Lots of good things to come...and all without a tailpipe. ??

We have over 200 years of natural gas with today's technology. Coal is losing ground in the US due to natural gas due to fracking, but not in most of the world. See link below about coal usage in CHina and India so far this year.

https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2017-06-26/coal-on-the-rise-in-china-us-india-after-record-2016-drop



Electric and hybrids make up 0.7% of new vehicle sales and may not be as clean as you think. Most of the recharging power comes from fossil fuels. You are exchanging the tail pipe for the smoke stack. See at link below about making them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_WscmJSB2c


The notion that wind and solar are cheaper that natural gas depend on the crazy notion that billions of dollars of medical costs and hundred thousand people die each year from it. Please name one.

tomman58 wrote:

LindsayRichards wrote:
Saw $1.97 yesterday. Looks like OPIEC is finally out of the drivers seat thanks to American ingenuity for inventing horizontal drilling and fracking.

Looks like America and other parts of the world have begun to make the change to renewables in a huge way. Cars are far more miserly and soon the driverless electric will be in everything. Natural gas is being installed and coal has died. Even China has begun changing from coal to solar to natural gas. The only thing now is a needed push by America to lead in the new world, we will see.

Good morning. Although I share your enthusiasm I think we have to remember that natural gas is not a renewable but it is a huge improvement over coal obviously. Coal is losing ground everywhere now but the push to eliminate it will be more economical based and not environmental (sadly). But it is now cheaper to produce power from solar than coal. The challenge is still night time storage but that is also a very fast moving field. A couple decades from now there will be a lot less energy produced from coal than there is now. I'm not up on American numbers but I know 2030 is the phase out date for coal power in Canada. Canada already is under 16 percent so not far to go. I think china will be the leader in this area.

I think china will also be the leader in replacing gas cars with electric. Korea and Japan are also offering a bunch of choices this year and of course the USA has Tesla. Model three production starts next month in Fremont. Total Tesla production between the three models may be north of 180000 cars in 2018 and 250000 in 2019.

We only drive about 16000 km per year in our two electric vehicles but we could never go back to gas burners. The electric drive is just superior in every way and every time someone drives one of our vehicle they are immediate converts.

However, the present offerings of cars is not the answer for everyone's needs. First, they are not trucks and many need a truck. Especially RVers. People who make regular long road trips have limited selection of electric cars that could suit their needs and those ones are expensive. But for those of us with commutes of less than 150 km the amount of models that will do the job is doubling every couple years. Most are 25 to 35K but I would consider that affordable for many. Once they get down to that 20,000 point look out though.

Interesting times.