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"It doesn't matter one whit that YOU personally would end subsidies to traditional energy sources, they remain in place."
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It does matter. A major problem with the electorate is simply that so many believe they don't matter. Ask Nancy if people don't have the power to control government. The biggest fear in D.C. is that the average guy and gal will organize! Can you say Tea Party?

"They are FACT. This is the path we have set by subsidizing trad energy WAY beyond usefulness of those subsidies."
Can't argue with that.

"As a consequence we MUST subsidize emerging technologies, else we create an uneven competitive playing field."

You jest. The playing field must be levelled? The marketplace is choked to death when government "levels" the playing field. Is EPA interested in levelling the field? Thank you.


"And THAT will be the death of us as we cling to the decaying ancient and forsake the promising new."

If we destroy our economy, which runs on energy and mobility, that will be the death of us. And we're on life support right now. Thank you, Beijing.

It doesn't matter one whit that YOU personally would end subsidies to traditional energy sources, they remain in place. They are FACT. This is the path we have set by subsidizing trad energy WAY beyond usefulness of those subsidies. As a consequence we MUST subsidize emerging technologies, else we create an uneven competitive playing field.

And THAT will be the death of us as we cling to the decaying ancient and forsake the promising new .

cekkk wrote:
Honest to goodness, if they worked, they wouldn't need government support. Yes, there are lots of subsidies going to lots of other endeavors that, unlike wind and solar, could do just fine without them. I'd end them all and put the lobbyists in the poor house.

Totally agree.

In my case there is no anger at electric cars. The anger comes from the steps taken to shut down supply of realistic, today, power sources in order to promote sources that clearly, clearly aren't ready to function in a free market. So it's not a problem with the cars, it's a problem with the politics that envelopes the green alternatives. Honest to goodness, if they worked, they wouldn't need government support. Yes, there are lots of subsidies going to lots of other endeavors that, unlike wind and solar, could do just fine without them. I'd end them all and put the lobbyists in the poor house.

CamperDave, It is hard sometimes to be in the forefront of anything. Most folks seem to really love my car and I am stopped repeatedly to answer question and shake out the misconceptions. I enjoy the idea that I am making a difference and aiding in the growth of a new technology.

I t easy just to buy another gasser, go to pump drop a half a hundred and purr along in the herd knowing my $3.85 a gallon is making some person in another country rich.
Our energy company here in Michigan has been going green since 2008 and is changing power house to CG rapidly and investing in thousands of windmills and other green tech including solar and upgrading to the latest EPA standards and future ones also. This is a good thing not only for those of us that don't mind supporting new techs but also those lost in the old as we wean off the oil they have more to spend their money on.

personally, at the moment, we are getting our home electric from a local utility that sources 100% renewable energy power. It costs us more than if we just bought from PG&E

It comes from the same places as ours.

REC's (Renewable Energy Credits) are a huge joke and similar to the practice in the Middles Ages of giving the Pope money to absolve you of adultery or some other sin (Called Indulgences). The are similar to carbon credits which have gone from $60 per unit to zero. The energy for your kart comes from the same places as everybody else. How many wires do you have coming into your house from the power pole. One I'll bet. Hydro is not really a renewable and is shrinking (especially in the North West) due to environmentalist lawsuits concerning fishery habitat destruction. Greenies hate hydro power even more than coal. The photovoltaic listed at your link is a miniscule amount. It is only for show purposes. The "Indulgences" you buy to absolve yourself of coal fired electricity go thru shell corporations and then to environmentalist groups for lobbying. It might make you feel better, but does nothing else. Wind and solar make up 1.8% of the total energy needs of the country and are extremely expensive. Think of all those baby fish you are killing. No more smugness for that electric kart.

Dave is right gas is gas, it is important to note that choice is choice. I much rather have the ability to decide myself then BP or Shell telling me how good they are for me.
Whether it is coal, NG or nuke or RE all the above come from the US and we have plenty, thank you. The resource is here and available cheaply and the end user is here. I do take exception to providing oil and fuel to China and others let them go get their own.

cekkk wrote:
Urea, ugh. Wouldn't have one with that requirement, if possible to avoid it.

No emissions? So all your juice comes from solar/wind?

Seriously, I have no beef with electric cars except where the subsidy is so large, or, as the VoIP guy says, Enormous, Huge bill for the TXPers. To paraphrase the man, "You didn't buy that. Somebody else made that payment."

They could make sense as commuters, if you live close in. I used to commute 18 miles to D.C. and 30 to Baltimore, not unusual, yet out of Volt range.

So, Dude, what's the point? None I can see, other than the car is a novelty. That's cool. I bought a Betamax, myself.

All in fun. :D

Living near the D they are in the infancy of rapid transit and rail to the D Chi town and Washington did the right thing years ago but we ignored it cause we build cars here.
California was one of the few that had a "shovel ready" rail system ready sitting on a shelf completely engineered to take part in the stimulus the D had no clue.

cekkk wrote:
To paraphrase the man, "You didn't buy that. Somebody else made that payment."

I remember hearing something sort of like that recently, can't remember who said it however.
bumpy