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My VF500C Honda would go over 90.

My 1L Sprint could barely go 80 but was plenty of power really.

The Harley's are about 1400 cc and the Honda Gullwings are about 1500 CC. Both are more than double the 660. Even the Volt's engine is around 1300 cc or so as I remember. Many of the crotch rockets are less. It is not an exaggeration at all and I have told you a million times not to say so. The only 600 cc car I ever remember was the 1959 Fiat that had 4 doors and sat 4. That many people really affected the performance. The zero to 60 mph was done with a calendar.

AO_hitech wrote:

LindsayRichards wrote:
A 660 cc vehicle (less than half of a motorcycle)...

I don't know what bikes you have ridden, but a 1300 cc motor on a bike would be on the larger size. So to say that it is less than half a motorcycle is an exaggeration.

Yeah. Lots of HDs are smaller, 1100s. 750cc used to be a monster.

LindsayRichards wrote:
A 660 cc vehicle (less than half of a motorcycle)...

I don't know what bikes you have ridden, but a 1300 cc motor on a bike would be on the larger size. So to say that it is less than half a motorcycle is an exaggeration.

tomman58 wrote:
Today's jaunt across NM thru AZ to Las Vegas. Little wind 4 mph. Millage from 10.1 to 11.4. Most of trip at 11.2 mpg.
this confirms cekkk's claim on head winds a difference of 4 mpg from yesterday til today. $0 mph headwind the other day.

Williams Az 4.39 for diesel, NM 3.99 NV 4.09

Hey, I wrote a reply to this, congratulating you on getting across I-40 without wind. Where did it go???

LindsayRichards wrote:
A 660 cc vehicle (less than half of a motorcycle) is considered a toy car by most of us. My toad (midsize truck has 4,000 cc). If somebody is going to drive something quite a bit smaller than a Smart Car, they are going to have to get used to some ribbing by regular folks. The notion that this type of thing is going to be accepted by the general public is pure folly in my opinion. What is the cost of this 3 phase charger anyway?

Less than it costs to dig up and retrofit an old underground gas station tank.

Have you seen an iMEV? Yes, it is a compact car, but it's Fit sized inside, not Smart car. Seats 4. There are a lot of Honda Fit's (and similar sized cars) on the road these days. I think it would make a great toad.

Anyway, I'm not going to change your mind on anything, but I will say I recently test drove the Ford Focus EV, and if no one told you any different you probably wouldn't know it wasn't just a standard Focus (until you saw the price tag :E :B). It's a very good car.

A 660 cc vehicle (less than half of a motorcycle) is considered a toy car by most of us. My toad (midsize truck has 4,000 cc). If somebody is going to drive something quite a bit smaller than a Smart Car, they are going to have to get used to some ribbing by regular folks. The notion that this type of thing is going to be accepted by the general public is pure folly in my opinion. What is the cost of this 3 phase charger anyway?

LindsayRichards wrote:
I don't think that little car could even get to a remote location now matter how hard you peddled.

Your disdain of, and continual mocking of EV's (including referring to my car as a go kart in earlier posts) is obvious. The CHAdeMO DC fast charge standard is here right now. It works. People use it. The SAE of course has other ideas for an interface plug (no doubt thanks to GM's lobbying efforts), but the tech is here.

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/special/ev/whatis/index.html


This indicates that the MiEV (based on a 660 cc toy car) requires 7 or 14 hours to recharge unless you have an expensive 3 phase charger said to be under development. This of course requires 3 phase current out there in the remote locations. The EPA currently is requiring new smoke stack regulations due to interstate pollution that is causing 206 coal fired power plants to be shut down in the next 4 years. Hard to believe that if the pollution goes across the state lines, that somehow national parks may be exempted somehow from this pollution. I don't think that little car could even get to a remote location now matter how hard you peddled.

LindsayRichards wrote:
EV's just exchange the tailpipe for the smokestack.

even if this were true (it's not), if ever there was a place to exchange tailpipe for smokestack pollution, it's our national parks.

From oil to gas or coal. With 2.8% of electricity being generated by wind and solar, there is no other conclusion. With 8 hours to charge, what do you do at that remote location while you wait and how do you get back if it is already in use when you get there.

outdated info, as usual. Even the lowly iMEV (lowest price production EV on the market right now, and a pretty good candidate for a TOAD) can do a Level 3 quick charge to 80% in 30 minutes.

We went to Yellowstone last summer and saw none.

well then, by all means that proves it doesn't and can't work!

That remote location must have a power line to have a charger. Power lines kinda spoil the beauty in a national park.

Some would argue that the pollution from all the RV's spoil the beauty of a national park.