The Politics of Petrol

PawPaw_n_Gram wrote:
Local folks don't want a company to build a busy commercial facility outside the city limits where the city won't receive any sales tax from the new business.

Big deal. Seen, heard that at many places across the US.

Anyone ever hear of a company called WalMart?

The only thing related to RV's is that there isn't any RV friendly place to get fuel on I-25/ NM-599/ US-285 in the Santa Fe area.

The local folks don't want any truck stop in the area.

According to Gas Buddy - Prices for regular gasoline are $2.93 to $2.97 in the Santa Fe/ I-25 area, yet along I-40 - prices run $2.72-2.75.

JimK-NY, are you listening?

“These uses are not allowable land uses within the [Community College District Economic Center] and … they are inconsistent with the [Santa Fe County Growth Management Plan] and [Community College District] plan,”

Santa Fe truck stop rejected

Me Again wrote:
Trucks stops are always more expensive than the Chevron, Shell, 76 or what every down the street a block or three!

I have an app on my phone called Gas Buddy
You can also use your computer (Delete space, add www. and .com)

And from time to time in my travles I have foudn Flying-J/Pilot to be the LOWEST price for miles around.. NOt so much since Pilot bought Flying J but back before when J was doing the buying it was common.

And it may be again soon. and for the same reason.

I also use Gas Buddy. However I also know how much it cost me to go to the ‘cheapest’ fuel.

While towing at city street speeds with stop and go for lights i get about 7 mpg. So if a gas station is 3.5 miles off the interstate/ truck stop - at current prices it costs me an extra $3.00 to get the cheapest fuel. Since my average fill-up is 20 gallons - the cheapest fuel needs to be 15 cents per gallon cheaper to break even.

PawPaw_n_Gram wrote:
I also use Gas Buddy. However I also know how much it cost me to go to the ‘cheapest’ fuel.

While towing at city street speeds with stop and go for lights i get about 7 mpg. So if a gas station is 3.5 miles off the interstate/ truck stop - at current prices it costs me an extra $3.00 to get the cheapest fuel. Since my average fill-up is 20 gallons - the cheapest fuel needs to be 15 cents per gallon cheaper to break even.

Or ...... you could use just the right credit card to pay for all of your fuel and get 5% (that's 5 per cent - not 5 cents) back on every gallon you buy everywhere that accepts credit cards for fuel. ;)

I will give you some facts gathered over the last 40 years or so

WHenever a new business opened up. Often existing businessmen who are in a similar business (And Gas Stations are one of the biggies here) will automatically file in opposition to the newcomer. and likewise go to great lengths. I've seen people spend MILLIONS OF DOLLARS to keep a competitor from coming to town. WHy? Well a new competitor means more competition, lower prices, you get the idea.

So Bear this in mind. (IT may also mean more jobs and more prosperity as it is now easier for Truckers to stop there, deliver in the AM and be on their way).

Santa Fe truck stop rejected

Dutch_12078 wrote:
“These uses are not allowable land uses within the [Community College District Economic Center] and … they are inconsistent with the [Santa Fe County Growth Management Plan] and [Community College District] plan,”

Santa Fe truck stop rejected

Maybe so, but.........hotels, convenience stores, fast food restaurants, and light industrial uses are allowable uses? I would think that upon appeal to the state district court as mentioned in your article Flying J and the property owner stand a very good chane of having the ruling overruled.

"In three separate 4-1 votes, commissioners approved the conceptual plan for the lot — which includes proposed hotels, a convenience store, fast-food restaurants and other “light industrial” uses — but disapproved pieces of the proposal that would have made up the Pilot Flying J truck stop and travel center: 75 proposed parking spaces for semitrailer trucks, the semitrailer truck weigh station and the truck fueling station."

Ralph Cramden wrote:

Dutch_12078 wrote:
“These uses are not allowable land uses within the (Community College District Economic Center) and … they are inconsistent with the (Santa Fe County Growth Management Plan) and (Community College District) plan,”

Santa Fe truck stop rejected

Maybe so, but.........hotels, convenience stores, fast food restaurants, and light industrial uses are allowable uses? I would think that upon appeal to the state district court as mentioned in your article Flying J and the property owner stand a very good chane of having the ruling overruled.

"In three separate 4-1 votes, commissioners approved the conceptual plan for the lot — which includes proposed hotels, a convenience store, fast-food restaurants and other “light industrial” uses — but disapproved pieces of the proposal that would have made up the Pilot Flying J truck stop and travel center: 75 proposed parking spaces for semitrailer trucks, the semitrailer truck weigh station and the truck fueling station."

A reversal on appeal is certainly possible. I posted the quote and link simply to show the planning board's basis for the rejection. How a court sees it is yet to be seen...

pnichols wrote:
you could use just the right credit card

Not everyone qualifies for PenFed CU.

But I do, having served 20 years in the Navy.

However post purchase rebates (cash back) are no reason to pay more for fuel at the pump than I have to.

My post was simply that a cheaper pump price is not always cheaper if it takes extra distance to get to the cheaper price.

At $2.999 per gallon at a FJ near the freeway,
$2.879 at a local station 3.5 miles from the freeway,

even with the PF card - the 'cheaper' station cost me $0.60 more total price for a 20 gallon fillup. (Without the PF card the difference is $2.40 more for the cheaper price.)

For 15 gallons the net price is $1.17 more.

Only above 25.25 gallons does the cheaper station break even with the 13 cents per gallon cheaper price.

I have a 30 gallon fuel tank on my tow truck. That is how the numbers work for me.

Of course with a larger fuel tank, and a larger fuel purchase - the numbers are different.

My point is that a person needs to know how much it will 'cost' them for extra travel distance.

PawPaw_n_Gram wrote:

pnichols wrote:
you could use just the right credit card

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