This kinda thing can't help but keep fuel prices down.

The 500,000 plus pre-order plus number is considered legit but the expected drop out rate is close to a third so most analysts feel the real number of pre-sold units is probably around 300,000. Presently there are no real competitors as the Bolt is considered a sport economy car and the New generation leaf an economy sedan. The model 3 is directly aimed at the BMW 3 series so more along the lines of entry level luxury sedan. BMW is expected to have an upgrade to their I3 in 2018 as well but the advantage will go to Tesla because of the supercharger network which continues to grow reasonably quick. The new generation leaf will continue to find a market because it's not expensive has a decent range and for folks like Angela and I who do most of our charging at home and only occasionally need the Chademo fast charge network it's not worth spending the extra 12 to 20 grand.

The next big unveil is Sept 6th for the second gen Nissan Leaf. Expected to have a starting range of 270 ish kilometres and up depending on options. We are good with the 200 we get now for a few more years or until we retire then we'll get something with around 300 KM or so. The charge infrastructure will be so built out by then that a bigger battery wouldn't be worth pretty anything to us. At least in this province.

Tesla's "stock" is worth more than some auto makers. So was Enrons! :B

As far as the semi. I could come out with a flying car that will fly to mars. That does not mean it will be successful.

BTW GM is talking about dropping the Volt. Wonder why?

Oh BTW. Lets look at how good the 3 is.

Lets look at what some actual Tesla customers think about what they bought.

free radical wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

John & Angela wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

John & Angela wrote:

Yes to all the above but remember. Tesla is not a car company, it is a technology company. Cars are just one thing they do. Tesla is also the single biggest driver of this kind of technology in North America right now, meaning that what they do also drives other companies to develop technology marketable the world over. Although there are many who would like to see Tesla fail for various reasons there is currently no other players in the north American market that will easily fill the void. Many analysts feel that if it does fail the technology leadership role will pass to the Chinese and Europe and never come back. At least three European countries have been tempting Tesla with offers to move the operation to various EU locations. As well the Chinese will be exporting electric vehicles into the North American market place within two to three years. There is political pressure to see them succeed on this side of the pond. I'm not a share holder and both our EV's are built by other companies but I can understand the reasoning for "enabling" there success. Just saying.

Tesla talks about being a technology company but they haven't sold anything else but cars, so that makes them a car company until they start selling other things.

They also aren't pushing the other car companies. The other car companies are reacting to govt mandates or they wouldn't be bothering. Notice, Ford didn't get caught up in the govt bailout is also much less interested in pure electric. GM who was essentially taken over by the Govt, fast tracked a pure electric car.

If you want to point to autonomous systems, everyone does variations on those and for years has had programs developing them. Only difference is as a small start up, Tesla is taking far riskier approach and not vetting the systems as well. Large mature companies take a more circumspect approach as they have seen the issues with moving too quickly.

Mike I think I'll respectfully disagree on this one. I see lots of spinoff industry developing. There is also powerwall sales, EV roof sales, solar panel manufacturing, even supercharger network and infrastructure development all generating jobs and exports. About half of their cars are built for export and although I'm not an American I catch snippets of news that indicate that is an important issue in your country right now. As well , every S and X sold in the US is a BMW or Benz not imported. JMHO Mike.

Safe travels.

Tesla is a car company that tries to be a technology company. It pretty much fails miserably at both.

CR does not recommend Tesla. Too many problems. This is a $120,000 dollar luxury car! Or tries to be! Remember, Tesla had this same car for many, many years now and it still has all of these problems.

Now lets look at how many solar panels they make:

Link

Do you see Tesla on this chart? And some listed make less than 1%.

I have already showed you that they don't make a profit in the other post.

They don't make reliable cars.
They don't make a profit.
They only make a few solar panels a year.
I have to ask: what do they do well? :?

You do realize that CR bit is from two years back,right!?

Right now Tesla has 500.000 customers preordered model 3 that tells me
more then anti Tesla propaganda by CR and other EV haters

They dont need to make a profit,they reinvest expand their factories..to be bigger..
Btw Tesla co.is worth more then GM..
Id even wager Tesla will become worlds biggest EV maker soon,,they even have Tesla semi truck coming out soon

https://electrek.co

umm, just because some of us have expressed an opinion differing from yours regarding EV's doesn't make us "haters" and i for one resent that. the word hater like racist & homophobe are tossed around pretty loosely and irresponsibly these days.

btw, an article in the paper this morning put the pre-orders for the model 3 closer to 300k. the $35,0000 price tag is expected to rise to between $40-$45k with options. in the US only the first 200,000 may get the $7500 tax credit.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

John & Angela wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:

John & Angela wrote:

Yes to all the above but remember. Tesla is not a car company, it is a technology company. Cars are just one thing they do. Tesla is also the single biggest driver of this kind of technology in North America right now, meaning that what they do also drives other companies to develop technology marketable the world over. Although there are many who would like to see Tesla fail for various reasons there is currently no other players in the north American market that will easily fill the void. Many analysts feel that if it does fail the technology leadership role will pass to the Chinese and Europe and never come back. At least three European countries have been tempting Tesla with offers to move the operation to various EU locations. As well the Chinese will be exporting electric vehicles into the North American market place within two to three years. There is political pressure to see them succeed on this side of the pond. I'm not a share holder and both our EV's are built by other companies but I can understand the reasoning for "enabling" there success. Just saying.

Tesla talks about being a technology company but they haven't sold anything else but cars, so that makes them a car company until they start selling other things.

They also aren't pushing the other car companies. The other car companies are reacting to govt mandates or they wouldn't be bothering. Notice, Ford didn't get caught up in the govt bailout is also much less interested in pure electric. GM who was essentially taken over by the Govt, fast tracked a pure electric car.

If you want to point to autonomous systems, everyone does variations on those and for years has had programs developing them. Only difference is as a small start up, Tesla is taking far riskier approach and not vetting the systems as well. Large mature companies take a more circumspect approach as they have seen the issues with moving too quickly.

Mike I think I'll respectfully disagree on this one. I see lots of spinoff industry developing. There is also powerwall sales, EV roof sales, solar panel manufacturing, even supercharger network and infrastructure development all generating jobs and exports. About half of their cars are built for export and although I'm not an American I catch snippets of news that indicate that is an important issue in your country right now. As well , every S and X sold in the US is a BMW or Benz not imported. JMHO Mike.

Safe travels.

Tesla is a car company that tries to be a technology company. It pretty much fails miserably at both.

CR does not recommend Tesla. Too many problems. This is a $120,000 dollar luxury car! Or tries to be! Remember, Tesla had this same car for many, many years now and it still has all of these problems.

Now lets look at how many solar panels they make:

Link

Do you see Tesla on this chart? And some listed make less than 1%.

I have already showed you that they don't make a profit in the other post.

They don't make reliable cars.
They don't make a profit.
They only make a few solar panels a year.
I have to ask: what do they do well? :?

You do realize that CR bit is from two years back,right!?

Right now Tesla has 500.000 customers preordered model 3 that tells me
more then anti Tesla propaganda by CR and other EV haters

They dont need to make a profit,they reinvest expand their factories..to be bigger..
Btw Tesla co.is worth more then GM..
Id even wager Tesla will become worlds biggest EV maker soon,,they even have Tesla semi truck coming out soon

https://electrek.co

pianotuna wrote:
Hi,

2nd paragraph first page. Tesla purchased them in 2014 IIRC.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

pianotuna wrote:
Hi,

From the link:

" The biggest solar companies are SolarCity, Vivint Solar and Sungevity (in order of market share)."

Tesla owns SolarCity.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:


Now lets look at how many solar panels they make:

Link

Do you see Tesla on this chart? And some listed make less than 1%.

Where are you seeing that?

There are only 2 US companies on the list. #5 First Solar and #10 SunPower.

Are you saying that Tesla owns one of these two? :h

Which one:

First Solar or SunPower? Those are the only 2 in the US that are on the chart? Those two are the biggest in the US and SunCity did not even make the list.

Hi,

2nd paragraph first page. Tesla purchased them in 2014 IIRC.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

pianotuna wrote:
Hi,

From the link:

" The biggest solar companies are SolarCity, Vivint Solar and Sungevity (in order of market share)."

Tesla owns SolarCity.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:


Now lets look at how many solar panels they make:

Link

Do you see Tesla on this chart? And some listed make less than 1%.

Where are you seeing that?

There are only 2 US companies on the list. #5 First Solar and #10 SunPower.

Are you saying that Tesla owns one of these two? :h

pianotuna wrote:
Hi,

From the link:

" The biggest solar companies are SolarCity, Vivint Solar and Sungevity (in order of market share)."

Tesla owns SolarCity.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:


Now lets look at how many solar panels they make:

Link

Do you see Tesla on this chart? And some listed make less than 1%.

Where are you seeing that?

There are only 2 US companies on the list. #5 First Solar and #10 SunPower.

Are you saying that Tesla owns one of these two? :h

fj12ryder wrote:
"I have to ask: what do they do well? :?"

Hire a great PR staff? :)

That they do LOL. But there are a lot of Tesla owners that love there Teslas. There are certainly 120,000 dollar Teslas but many are under 100 K as well. And keep in mind that there is still a lot of European and foreign demand for even the expensive models do they must be doing something right. North American sales are levelling off for the S and the X but there are still 400,000 reservations for the 3. They'll be busy for awhile. They are out of my budget but if I win the lottery.... :)

Hi,

From the link:

" The biggest solar companies are SolarCity, Vivint Solar and Sungevity (in order of market share)."

Tesla owns SolarCity.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:


Now lets look at how many solar panels they make:

Link

Do you see Tesla on this chart? And some listed make less than 1%.

"I have to ask: what do they do well? :?"

Hire a great PR staff? :)