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bandit86
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Jun 24, 2016

Truck and trailer near max load, still need more gear...

Looking for tips and tricks to finish loading my 2003 dodge ram 2500 diesel, 6speed 4x4. At truck scale it was weighed with me in it and a full tank at 4017 fromt and 2593 rear for a total of 6610 pounds. According to Dodge, the curb weight of the truck is 6514 pounds. I weigh 220 and misc tools under rear seat it's close. Aftermarket aluminum rims might make up the difference.

So truck is 6610 pounds. Payload is 1990 pounds, minus wehicle weight and scale difference means I'm left with 1786 pounds to carry;
In the bed goes a 98 Suzuki king quad 300 that's 700 pounds (600 with front and rear box in which is a chainsaw, hatchet, 10L fuel and recovery gear). Also in the bed is 2 heavy steel loading ramps. I will start weighing everything to make a list. They feel about 35 pounds each. 916 pounds of payload left.

The toy hauler is almost at its 9580# capacity; 5500 empty, 3000 pounds of toys, 400 pound fuel, 200 pound water in tank and 100 pound bottled water, and some odds and ends. Also have 2 30 pound propane tanks are half full. take off another 110 pounds, that leaves only about 200 pounds left to carry. Going to load it to limit tongue weight to 1000 pounds, or roughly 10 percent. Tires have been upgraded from D to E, they have a bit of a margin left.

Now that tongueweight puts 1000 more pounds on the truck, there is nothing left. Does the weight distribution hitch get added to truck or trailer weight? That's probably an easy 100 pounds- bolted to the truck, so adding it to the truck capacity; overloaded by 100 ponds and still have not added any food, tools, clothes or other odds and ends. My son and a week worth of clothes is an easy 200 pounds. Trailer spare tire in bed of truck or trailer takes off another 60-ish so 400 pounds overloaded.

I need a bigger truck. With a 12800 towing capacity I could have gotten away with everything in the trailer, but didn't want to go with a fifth wheel as I need the bed free...

What option I have? He can I squeeze every pound of weight into this setup?

Edit: I read payload wring, it's not 2490 it is only 1990 pounds.

18 Replies

  • Romore, the tires and registration are likely the only legal limits that would apply in the US. I can register my truck for any weight i want in Nv and as long as i dont go over that and the tire ratings i have done nothing illegal.
  • SO, if it was me in your shoes and I am in no way telling you this is OK. I would slap a set of air bags on it and call it good. I have seen way worse on the road. Again, I am not telling you this is OK, just what I would do

    Chris
  • Some would disagree, but if all else is equal to a 1 ton truck (minus suspension and tires) you would be fine going over on your truck's 9100lb GVWR within reason, as long you do NOT go over your rear axle and tire ratings (you would hit your max tire load way before reaching the axle rating I would guess).

    This has been talked about in great length many times, and it all comes out that the only numbers that really safely matter if all else is equal, is the actual/real axle and tire load limits.
  • romore wrote:
    Hate to break it to you but suspension upgrades and heavier tires are not going to increase your legal payload, you are still stuck with the factory rating. Your only solutions are less toys or more truck.
    The reduced payload on a drw 4x4 is because the truck is heavier and load capacity is reduced by a corresponding amount.


    Hate to break it to you, but aside from the class 2 truck limits, limiting the stickered payload, that truck is nowhere close to being overloaded in any other way.
    10klb rear axle, minimum 6400lb tires if they're lighter E range 17s, springs will take 2500lbs before they start sagging much (that's easily rectified).
    Make sure the hitch is up to the task and worst case add something to the springs.
    Your truck is made to do exactly what you're doing with it!
  • Hate to break it to you but suspension upgrades and heavier tires are not going to increase your legal payload, you are still stuck with the factory rating. Your only solutions are less toys or more truck.
    The reduced payload on a drw 4x4 is because the truck is heavier and load capacity is reduced by a corresponding amount.
  • I messed up, my payload is only 1990 pounds. The 3500 SRW payload is 2614. Dually payload would increase though to 4415, or almost 2500 pounds more.

    Now, the manual diesel high output trucks like mine have the same rear axle as the srw and dually 3500 trucks. I find it amazing that a dually 4x4 version of my truck with long bed can tow 200 pounds LESS!
  • You are well under your axle and tire ratings. Those are the ones I would be concerned with....
  • This is what many RVers do.
    Check the specs difference between a 2500 and 3500 for your year, make and model.
    If it is just suspension and axle, motor and trans are the same, then beef up the suspension.
    Many people use Timbrens or air bags or helper springs or new springs.
    Also check the load rating of your tires.

    A WD hitch puts some weight on the front tires also, so you will need to weigh your rig axle by axle after you are loaded for a trip to see where you really need help.

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