Why not put turbos on 2500 gas trucks

atwowheelguy wrote:

intheburbs wrote:
My only concern with the 3.5EB would be durability. Ford recommends replacing the turbos at 150k miles. I'm guessing that's not a cheap job. I drive my trucks until they fall apart. Won't be getting an EB any time soon.

Forced induction puts more stresses on driveline components. Why do you think it took so long for Jeep to come out with the AWD Trackhawk, with the Hellcat motor? They were having durability issues with the AWD system handling a 700-hp motor. I believe in the end, the engine is slightly detuned to 650 hp.

I love my hotrod all-aluminum 6.2 Sierra Denali, but for towing, I'll take my cast-iron block 6.0. She loves to rev, and does fine for me. 170k miles and she still purrs like a kitten and uses no oil.

I can't find that turbo replacement recommendation anywhere in the scheduled maintenance section of my owner's manual. I'm at 112,000 miles now and I need that information. Give us a link to that documentation somewhere.

Because there is none.

intheburbs wrote:
My only concern with the 3.5EB would be durability. Ford recommends replacing the turbos at 150k miles. I'm guessing that's not a cheap job. I drive my trucks until they fall apart. Won't be getting an EB any time soon.

Forced induction puts more stresses on driveline components. Why do you think it took so long for Jeep to come out with the AWD Trackhawk, with the Hellcat motor? They were having durability issues with the AWD system handling a 700-hp motor. I believe in the end, the engine is slightly detuned to 650 hp.

I love my hotrod all-aluminum 6.2 Sierra Denali, but for towing, I'll take my cast-iron block 6.0. She loves to rev, and does fine for me. 170k miles and she still purrs like a kitten and uses no oil.

I can't find that turbo replacement recommendation anywhere in the scheduled maintenance section of my owner's manual. I'm at 112,000 miles now and I need that information. Give us a link to that documentation somewhere.

burningman wrote:
I'm with Grit Dog... it's simple... because if you want power like that, they DO already offer it, with Cummins, Powerstroke or Duramax engines! When you want heavy duty towing power you don't want a gas engine, turbo or not. It'll use fuel like mad.

It's definitely not a drivetrain durability issue, or they couldn't offer the 800+ ft/lbs diesel engines either.

Generalizing almost too much, supercharged (or turbo'ed) gas engines are for situations requiring high output and light weight, such as muscle cars and race cars that haul "tail" not trailers.
Diesels are the way to go in heavier applications.

X3 with Grit Dog also!
If you want more power than a NA gas engine and still want reliability, then simply step up to a diesel.

I'm with Grit Dog... it's simple... because if you want power like that, they DO already offer it, with Cummins, Powerstroke or Duramax engines! When you want heavy duty towing power you don't want a gas engine, turbo or not. It'll use fuel like mad.

It's definitely not a drivetrain durability issue, or they couldn't offer the 800+ ft/lbs diesel engines either.

Generalizing almost too much, supercharged (or turbo'ed) gas engines are for situations requiring high output and light weight, such as muscle cars and race cars that haul "tail" not trailers.
Diesels are the way to go in heavier applications.

My only concern with the 3.5EB would be durability. Ford recommends replacing the turbos at 150k miles. I'm guessing that's not a cheap job. I drive my trucks until they fall apart. Won't be getting an EB any time soon.

Forced induction puts more stresses on driveline components. Why do you think it took so long for Jeep to come out with the AWD Trackhawk, with the Hellcat motor? They were having durability issues with the AWD system handling a 700-hp motor. I believe in the end, the engine is slightly detuned to 650 hp.

I love my hotrod all-aluminum 6.2 Sierra Denali, but for towing, I'll take my cast-iron block 6.0. She loves to rev, and does fine for me. 170k miles and she still purrs like a kitten and uses no oil.

wowens79 wrote:

SidecarFlip wrote:
Problem with the 150's in any form is thay may have the balls to yank about anything but brakes, not enough and not enough frame to be stable. IMO, the only thing a 1/4 ton truck is good for is 5 bags of groceries.

That's the point of this thread is wanting the brakes, payload, and frame of a 3/4 ton, with an engine with a more advanced and powerful engine than what is offered without having to go all they way to a diesel.

For me, I'm towing around 8000lbs, so my 2002 GM 6.0 with a 4 speed struggles, but I really don't need a diesel, but would like a good bump in power. Currently I'm leaning to a Ram 6.4 gasser. It seems to have the most power, yet with the cylinder shut off, it gets decent milage.

My renter just leased one, his 'payload' is probably a bit less because it's a Powerwagon' 4x4 and while I'm not a FCA fan, it is a nice truck. bed is too short for me, but plenty of room inside (4 door). The only thing I don't care much for is the coil spring rear suspension with the 4 link control arm's. He got the 6.4 hemo. He had the smaller one (6.2 I think) and had issues with the motor (making valve noise so he turned it in and got this one. Seems to have plenty of power but he's not all that fuzzy with the fuel mileage.

People rave about the Ford eco-boost motors and I'm a Ford berson but in my opinion, it's too small displacement wise. I'm a no replacement for displacement person.

SidecarFlip wrote:
Problem with the 150's in any form is thay may have the balls to yank about anything but brakes, not enough and not enough frame to be stable. IMO, the only thing a 1/4 ton truck is good for is 5 bags of groceries.

That's the point of this thread is wanting the brakes, payload, and frame of a 3/4 ton, with an engine with a more advanced and powerful engine than what is offered without having to go all they way to a diesel.

For me, I'm towing around 8000lbs, so my 2002 GM 6.0 with a 4 speed struggles, but I really don't need a diesel, but would like a good bump in power. Currently I'm leaning to a Ram 6.4 gasser. It seems to have the most power, yet with the cylinder shut off, it gets decent milage.

Problem with the 150's in any form is thay may have the balls to yank about anything but brakes, not enough and not enough frame to be stable. IMO, the only thing a 1/4 ton truck is good for is 5 bags of groceries.

Myself, I'd rather have a Roots type supercharger over a hairdryer anyday. Boost is not dependent on exhaust gas flow at all.

You can supercharge / turbocharge any engine, including your lawnmower if you have the funds.

Answer is the same as why Chevy's 6.2L is not found in HD trucks...

Just like the Chevy 6.2L, gas turbo engines are not yet considered strong and or reliable enough for HD trucks.

Consider that Ford is the ONLY manufacture even offering a gas turbo for towing AND the fact that not long before they came out with it, all previous decades of gas turbos were restricted from towing.