Winter Battery Storage

Flapper wrote:

Gdetrailer wrote:

nickthehunter wrote:
If they are fully charged they won’t freeze at zero. As they self discharge over time while sitting there they could. A discharged battery will freeze at 20* F. A trickle charger or something similar (solar?j will help to keep the batteries fully charged.

^^^^THIS^^^^

Folks don't take batteries out of their cars for winter when not using that car for several months in the winter, why should one drag the batteries out of their RV for winter?

Fully charged batteries will not freeze even in sub freezing temps for weeks at a time.

Simply put, no need to go to the work and hassle of removing and storing the batteries inside your home, garage or basement as long as you have fully charged the battery and have disconnected the battery from the RV electrical system for the winter provided you do not have access to power while in storage.

If you have a RV with a modern multistage converter and you have power available, you can even just plug the RV in and let the converter take care of the batteries.

What you don't want to do is leave the batteries connected to your RVs electrical system without having some means of charging. The RV electrical system has 12V devices like the stereo, water heater, fridge, furnace which all draw a small amount of power even when they are turned off.. Those small draws will flatten your battery in a matter of a week or two.. Hence the need to plug RV into power or disconnect the batteries for storage.

x2 on this! If batteries routinely froze at 0, none of us in Minnesota would ever be able to drive our cars!

Fully charged batteries won't freeze until -73F. For 20 yrs, I have just fully charged the 6 various RV and boat batteries I own, completely disconnected, and left outside in their respective boats/RV's. Ditto on the vast majority of boat owners in our region. Nov-April, and in the spring mine have never been at less than 85% of charge, and usually above 90%. Batteries do self discharge over time, but cold slows them way, way down. In Minn, even with the summer, the average temps mean over a year before they get to 50% self discharge. MUCH faster in Texas or Arizona in the summer - then it may be 3 months. For places that get snow, just fully charge, disconnect and forget until spring.

Yup, I charge the battery on my boat as I winterize it. Then I unhook it and leave it in the boat. The last battery lasted 10 years this way. It wasn't bad when I replaced it I just thought that was enough.

On my TT I have 2- 6 volt batteries. I store it at home, in a shed, and have a voltage meter inside so I can watch it. I make sure the voltage is up to snuff. If it drops a little low I flip on the power converter for a few ours and top them off. The last batteries I had in there lasted 10 years too and I still have them. But, they were getting to the point where they wouldn't hold there charge for as long so I installed new ones.

theoldwizard1 wrote:
My 2¢ !

I do NOT believe in leaving a battery on a tender for days on end. If you are using a tender, connect it to an old fashioned lamp timer. Only charge for about 4 hours a day.

I'll see your 2cents and up you a nickle. If they weren't made to be left on for extended periods of time, I'm sure the world of nay sayer's would have taken them to court and won lots of money. I haven't and likely won't see it. I've had batteries last for up to 12 years doing it and I'll leave it at that.

My 2¢ !

I do NOT believe in leaving a battery on a tender for days on end. If you are using a tender, connect it to an old fashioned lamp timer. Only charge for about 4 hours a day.

I would not want to rely on solar unless you are able to keep the snow from covering the solar panels. I don't have solar panels but if I did I would have to go our frequently and clean them off. I have to snow blow my driveway every couple of days so I would have to clean off the panels at the same frequency.

i prefer to leave my TT in its nice cozy carport plugged into shore power. I replaced my WFCO with a Progressive Industries converter two weeks after I bought the TT because the WFCO would not change output, it was always at 13.6.

The freezing temp of a fully charged (KEY PHRASE FULLY CHARGED) is kind of low. like -80 per one source (i've seen 'em -30 and survive, more than once)

BUT.. if you decide to bring it in I have some suggestions.

ONE: paint the wire(s) connected to the POSITIVE terminal RED. Testor's spray works, or nail polish or your choice. IF more than one wire connected to Positive use a bread tie, Zip lock or string to tie 'em all together so you remember to hook 'em all back Also insulate the positive wire (Wrap with plastic or stick e'em in plastic or glass to make sure they don't hit any other metal)

Negative side. Skip the insulation and use (optional) Black paint, again if multiple wires. Tie 'em together.

Next. Clean everything both when you remove and replace.

Now to inside.
There is a myth about batteries on concrete. Don't believe it. (40 years ago or more it was true but not today) But there is still a reason to set the battery on scrap wood.

IF it leaks or weeps it can damage the floor.. Scrap wood is kind of cheap (Like $0.00 cheap) so if it damages the scrap wood... No loss.

A battery tender (Get a good one like a Deltran) can help keep 'em topped off. both in the RV and in the warm storage space. I had a 12 volt system in my house.. that's how I did it. Still have a 12 volt system here in my apartment. But it's a touch bigger than a Deltran Battery Tender (80 amp capable fused at 40)

dapperdan wrote:
I had 300 watts on our previous trailer and now 660 watts of solar on our current trailer, haven’t taken the batteries out since the solar went in! I haven’t had a battery issue yet, the solar keeps the batteries “full”, no freezing. Here in WI it can get below zero, maybe not as cold as Minnesota but cold none the less. :B

Dan

Hey Dan - Question about your solar. We store our rig in the southwest where I worry about dust and crud covering up our panels (700W), but we get enough rain in the cooler months to hose them off.

What do you do in Wisconsin with the snow? Does the snow accumulate and cover your panels?

We sure love having the batteries charged and ready to go 24/7/365.

I had 300 watts on our previous trailer and now 660 watts of solar on our current trailer, haven’t taken the batteries out since the solar went in! I haven’t had a battery issue yet, the solar keeps the batteries “full”, no freezing. Here in WI it can get below zero, maybe not as cold as Minnesota but cold none the less. :B

Dan

Antifreeze…yum….not!

Gdetrailer wrote:

nickthehunter wrote:
If they are fully charged they won’t freeze at zero. As they self discharge over time while sitting there they could. A discharged battery will freeze at 20* F. A trickle charger or something similar (solar?j will help to keep the batteries fully charged.

^^^^THIS^^^^

Folks don't take batteries out of their cars for winter when not using that car for several months in the winter, why should one drag the batteries out of their RV for winter?

Fully charged batteries will not freeze even in sub freezing temps for weeks at a time.

Simply put, no need to go to the work and hassle of removing and storing the batteries inside your home, garage or basement as long as you have fully charged the battery and have disconnected the battery from the RV electrical system for the winter provided you do not have access to power while in storage.

If you have a RV with a modern multistage converter and you have power available, you can even just plug the RV in and let the converter take care of the batteries.

What you don't want to do is leave the batteries connected to your RVs electrical system without having some means of charging. The RV electrical system has 12V devices like the stereo, water heater, fridge, furnace which all draw a small amount of power even when they are turned off.. Those small draws will flatten your battery in a matter of a week or two.. Hence the need to plug RV into power or disconnect the batteries for storage.

x2 on this! If batteries routinely froze at 0, none of us in Minnesota would ever be able to drive our cars!

Fully charged batteries won't freeze until -73F. For 20 yrs, I have just fully charged the 6 various RV and boat batteries I own, completely disconnected, and left outside in their respective boats/RV's. Ditto on the vast majority of boat owners in our region. Nov-April, and in the spring mine have never been at less than 85% of charge, and usually above 90%. Batteries do self discharge over time, but cold slows them way, way down. In Minn, even with the summer, the average temps mean over a year before they get to 50% self discharge. MUCH faster in Texas or Arizona in the summer - then it may be 3 months. For places that get snow, just fully charge, disconnect and forget until spring.

Fully charge

Disconnect the batteries (take a picture first)

Typical lead acid freezes at about -77 F. At those temperatures there will be a LOT more to worry about than a frozen battery.