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timelinex
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Oct 18, 2023

12v wire thickness

I have a 2kw inverter and will be getting a 100a converter for my 2 100ah lifepo4 batteries. Currently I'm just using whatever ga wires came with everything (a bix of 4/6/8).

I am planning on changing everything to connect through a BUS BAR and upgrade all the cabling to heavier ga. I want to future proof it to handle a 3kw inverter.

It's been REALLY confusing figuring out what wires I need. ALMOST everything online "(forums and articles) tell me I need something like a 4/0 guage, which is HUGE. That makes sense considering 3kw can reach 200-250 amps. Except the fact that no OEM items come with something nearly this thick.

I think the reason all these recommendations may be wrong is they do not account for length of wire being very short in our use cases.

Can anyone confirm?

I've found this site, which DOES take into account length:

http://www.offroaders.com/technical/12-volt-wiring-tech-gauge-to-amps/

It looks like considering everything is definitely under 4ft, I won't need anything over 4ga. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that ampacity is over max 4ga rating when you look it up.

Using this calculator: https://baymarinesupply.com/calculator I get 2ga for my 2kw and 1/0 minimum for the 3kw. If this is the case I would likely go with 2ga to save money and more importantly because I don't even think the 1/0 would fit in the current inverters lugs.

Can anyone make any recommendations based on actual knowledge and not just heresay or making best guesses?

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  • ktmrfs's avatar
    ktmrfs
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    Oct 19, 2023
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    Grit dog wrote:
    ktmrfs wrote:
    go to a welding shop and buy the length of welding cable in the gauge you want and have them put logs on it for you. Many shops can do that.

    Otherwise you'll need a hybraulic crimper. And based on what I've done I'd suggest and least 2/0 wire if not 3/0. Most inverters have a low voltage shutoff and a few tenths of a volt drop can make the difference in inverter running and inverter shutting down.

    And make sure you use the correct fuse to the inverter. they are big, bulky but meant to protect under the high load conditions.

    Welding cable has lots of very fine wire so it is very flexible and easy to route.

    OP, you don’t need anything elaborate like having cables prefabricated or a hyd crimper.
    You can buy any number of clamping or solder/crimp lugs that can be attached with basic hand tools. But you “can” make elaborate cables if you wish.
    Regarding wire size, the responses are all over the board here. Many who just think bigger is better. (It is, but doesn’t mean it’s necessary) I used a wire size calculator real quick to provide my recommendation. You should do the same. You have the data. It’s that easy.


    around here welding cable is very reasonably priced, pay by the foot, lugs are sold individually and the shops I deal with will crimp for free if you buy the cable and lugs. makes it easy peasy, and quick. And usually cable is available in red or black, from AWG 6 down to 4/0. Quick, easy, affordable and your good to go.
  • TurnThePage's avatar
    TurnThePage
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    Oct 19, 2023
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    You can always run extra cables if you initially chose too small. I ran 0 gauge for my 3000 watt inverter. I've been able to run the air conditioner on that with no cable heating at all. If I need more capacity, I will likely just add another run of 0 gauge since I have plenty of it. Now I'll likely increase the gauge for the wires between the batteries if I have to. No room for 2 wires from post to post. Oh, and I ordered welding cable on line. Very flexible and easy to work with.
  • Grit_dog's avatar
    Grit_dog
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    Oct 19, 2023
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    ktmrfs wrote:
    go to a welding shop and buy the length of welding cable in the gauge you want and have them put logs on it for you. Many shops can do that.

    Otherwise you'll need a hybraulic crimper. And based on what I've done I'd suggest and least 2/0 wire if not 3/0. Most inverters have a low voltage shutoff and a few tenths of a volt drop can make the difference in inverter running and inverter shutting down.

    And make sure you use the correct fuse to the inverter. they are big, bulky but meant to protect under the high load conditions.

    Welding cable has lots of very fine wire so it is very flexible and easy to route.

    OP, you don’t need anything elaborate like having cables prefabricated or a hyd crimper.
    You can buy any number of clamping or solder/crimp lugs that can be attached with basic hand tools. But you “can” make elaborate cables if you wish.
    Regarding wire size, the responses are all over the board here. Many who just think bigger is better. (It is, but doesn’t mean it’s necessary) I used a wire size calculator real quick to provide my recommendation. You should do the same. You have the data. It’s that easy.
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    valhalla360
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    Oct 19, 2023
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    CA Traveler wrote:
    Goog suggestion but I've never seen 4/O jumper cables, maybe from a tow truck?

    Check jumper cablles as you want solid copper and notf copper coated alumiinum,

    4' will limit the cost,


    Problem is home depot was selling cable in 6ft lengths.

    The 4 gauge was in the auto section and at 50amps, not too critical.
  • CA_Traveler's avatar
    CA_Traveler
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    Oct 19, 2023
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    Goog suggestion but I've never seen 4/O jumper cables, maybe from a tow truck?

    Check jumper cablles as you want solid copper and notf copper coated alumiinum,

    4' will limit the cost,
  • valhalla360's avatar
    valhalla360
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    Oct 19, 2023
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    The cable length and amperage determine the wire size needed. Online calculators are available. Search or voltage drop calculator. If you plug in 3000w, that should be a bit conservative for you 2000w inverter but if not significantly more, look at going on size larger.

    At 3000w, you are pretty much up around what the starter on a car will pull, so yes, you need a thick cable.

    You might look for a heavy duty set of jumper cables to sacrifice. Much smaller 50amp charger installed recently but the 6ft 4 gauge wire was running $30 per cable (ie: I needed 2). Set of jumper cables was $15. I cut the ends off and used the wire.
  • CA_Traveler's avatar
    CA_Traveler
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    Oct 19, 2023
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    Boomerweps wrote:
    I would not route inverter power via the shunt or buss bars (extra connections between the battery and inverter). Make it as direct & short as possible, just protection.
    Without the inverter on the shunt the battery monitor would not be very accurate.

    My shunt is rated at 500A 50mV hence very limited voltage drop considering its 25mV at 250A. Plus connections of course.
  • Boomerweps's avatar
    Boomerweps
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    Oct 19, 2023
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    timelinex wrote:
    Boomerweps wrote:
    Read the reviews on Amazon. Most complain about the wires supplied with inverters is TOO small, mostly 4 AWG.
    Use at least 1/0awg or better yet, 2/0awg. If making your own, ask for the given gauge welding cables at your electrical supply store. Welding cable is very flexible with many smaller wires.
    Another consideration is that many, myself included, decide that a given inverter is a little small and get a higher power unit. If the wiring is extra thick for the smaller inverter, it can support the larger unit.
    IMO, the inverter should be directly connected to the battery bank with only a fuse or circuit breaker on the positive cable.


    I plan on adding a BUS bar. Should I connect the negative end directly to my shunt and positive to my batteries...Or should I go through the Bus Bars, which add distance.


    I would not route inverter power via the shunt or buss bars (extra connections between the battery and inverter). Make it as direct & short as possible, just protection.
  • enblethen's avatar
    enblethen
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    Oct 18, 2023
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    Make sure whatever size you decide on, it has multiple strands. Building wire is not the best. Welding cable works but so does power wire available at fancy radio installation shops.
    Cables can have up to 400 strands.
  • pianotuna's avatar
    pianotuna
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    Oct 18, 2023
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    timelinex,

    be sure to wire the batteries in a balanced manner.

    This is what is balanced and best for twin twelve volt batteries.



    As it often doesn't cost a dime more to do this, I think it is worth the trouble.

    If you wish to understand the "why" surf here:

    correctly interconnecting multiple twelve volt batteries

    Others may say it doesn't matter--but unless there is a compelling reason to not optimize charging and discharging why not do it the best possible way?

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Currently I'm just using whatever ga wires came with everything (a bix of 4/6/8).

I am planning on changing everything to connect through a BUS BAR and upgrade all the cabling to heavier ga. I want to future proof it to handle a 3kw inverter.

It's been REALLY confusing figuring out what wires I need. ALMOST everything online \"(forums and articles) tell me I need something like a 4/0 guage, which is HUGE. That makes sense considering 3kw can reach 200-250 amps. Except the fact that no OEM items come with something nearly this thick.

I think the reason all these recommendations may be wrong is they do not account for length of wire being very short in our use cases.

Can anyone confirm?

I've found this site, which DOES take into account length:

http://www.offroaders.com/technical/12-volt-wiring-tech-gauge-to-amps/

It looks like considering everything is definitely under 4ft, I won't need anything over 4ga. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that ampacity is over max 4ga rating when you look it up.

Using this calculator: https://baymarinesupply.com/calculator I get 2ga for my 2kw and 1/0 minimum for the 3kw. If this is the case I would likely go with 2ga to save money and more importantly because I don't even think the 1/0 would fit in the current inverters lugs.

Can anyone make any recommendations based on actual knowledge and not just heresay or making best guesses?","body@stringLength":"1581","rawBody":"I have a 2kw inverter and will be getting a 100a converter for my 2 100ah lifepo4 batteries. Currently I'm just using whatever ga wires came with everything (a bix of 4/6/8).

I am planning on changing everything to connect through a BUS BAR and upgrade all the cabling to heavier ga. I want to future proof it to handle a 3kw inverter.

It's been REALLY confusing figuring out what wires I need. ALMOST everything online \"(forums and articles) tell me I need something like a 4/0 guage, which is HUGE. That makes sense considering 3kw can reach 200-250 amps. Except the fact that no OEM items come with something nearly this thick.

I think the reason all these recommendations may be wrong is they do not account for length of wire being very short in our use cases.

Can anyone confirm?

I've found this site, which DOES take into account length:

http://www.offroaders.com/technical/12-volt-wiring-tech-gauge-to-amps/

It looks like considering everything is definitely under 4ft, I won't need anything over 4ga. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that ampacity is over max 4ga rating when you look it up.

Using this calculator: https://baymarinesupply.com/calculator I get 2ga for my 2kw and 1/0 minimum for the 3kw. If this is the case I would likely go with 2ga to save money and more importantly because I don't even think the 1/0 would fit in the current inverters lugs.

Can anyone make any recommendations based on actual knowledge and not just heresay or making best guesses?","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2023-10-17T21:18:45.000-07:00","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"tags":{"__typename":"TagConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3620480_1"},"latestVersion":null,"metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":3283},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","canonicalUrl":null,"seoTitle":null,"seoDescription":null,"isEscalated":null,"placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"archivalData":null,"searchSnippet":"I have a 2kw inverter and will be getting a 100a converter for my 2 100ah lifepo4 batteries. 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Grit dog wrote:
ktmrfs wrote:
go to a welding shop and buy the length of welding cable in the gauge you want and have them put logs on it for you. Many shops can do that.

Otherwise you'll need a hybraulic crimper. And based on what I've done I'd suggest and least 2/0 wire if not 3/0. Most inverters have a low voltage shutoff and a few tenths of a volt drop can make the difference in inverter running and inverter shutting down.

And make sure you use the correct fuse to the inverter. they are big, bulky but meant to protect under the high load conditions.

Welding cable has lots of very fine wire so it is very flexible and easy to route.

OP, you don’t need anything elaborate like having cables prefabricated or a hyd crimper.
You can buy any number of clamping or solder/crimp lugs that can be attached with basic hand tools. But you “can” make elaborate cables if you wish.
Regarding wire size, the responses are all over the board here. Many who just think bigger is better. (It is, but doesn’t mean it’s necessary) I used a wire size calculator real quick to provide my recommendation. You should do the same. You have the data. It’s that easy.


around here welding cable is very reasonably priced, pay by the foot, lugs are sold individually and the shops I deal with will crimp for free if you buy the cable and lugs. makes it easy peasy, and quick. And usually cable is available in red or black, from AWG 6 down to 4/0. Quick, easy, affordable and your good to go.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2023-10-19T09:32:59.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2023-10-19T09:32:59.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1121},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:3620480/message:3620502","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1609","rawBody":"
Grit dog wrote:
ktmrfs wrote:
go to a welding shop and buy the length of welding cable in the gauge you want and have them put logs on it for you. Many shops can do that.

Otherwise you'll need a hybraulic crimper. And based on what I've done I'd suggest and least 2/0 wire if not 3/0. Most inverters have a low voltage shutoff and a few tenths of a volt drop can make the difference in inverter running and inverter shutting down.

And make sure you use the correct fuse to the inverter. they are big, bulky but meant to protect under the high load conditions.

Welding cable has lots of very fine wire so it is very flexible and easy to route.

OP, you don’t need anything elaborate like having cables prefabricated or a hyd crimper.
You can buy any number of clamping or solder/crimp lugs that can be attached with basic hand tools. But you “can” make elaborate cables if you wish.
Regarding wire size, the responses are all over the board here. Many who just think bigger is better. (It is, but doesn’t mean it’s necessary) I used a wire size calculator real quick to provide my recommendation. You should do the same. You have the data. It’s that easy.


around here welding cable is very reasonably priced, pay by the foot, lugs are sold individually and the shops I deal with will crimp for free if you buy the cable and lugs. makes it easy peasy, and quick. And usually cable is available in red or black, from AWG 6 down to 4/0. 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I ran 0 gauge for my 3000 watt inverter. I've been able to run the air conditioner on that with no cable heating at all. If I need more capacity, I will likely just add another run of 0 gauge since I have plenty of it. Now I'll likely increase the gauge for the wires between the batteries if I have to. No room for 2 wires from post to post. Oh, and I ordered welding cable on line. 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I ran 0 gauge for my 3000 watt inverter. I've been able to run the air conditioner on that with no cable heating at all. If I need more capacity, I will likely just add another run of 0 gauge since I have plenty of it. Now I'll likely increase the gauge for the wires between the batteries if I have to. No room for 2 wires from post to post. Oh, and I ordered welding cable on line. 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ktmrfs wrote:
go to a welding shop and buy the length of welding cable in the gauge you want and have them put logs on it for you. Many shops can do that.

Otherwise you'll need a hybraulic crimper. And based on what I've done I'd suggest and least 2/0 wire if not 3/0. Most inverters have a low voltage shutoff and a few tenths of a volt drop can make the difference in inverter running and inverter shutting down.

And make sure you use the correct fuse to the inverter. they are big, bulky but meant to protect under the high load conditions.

Welding cable has lots of very fine wire so it is very flexible and easy to route.

OP, you don’t need anything elaborate like having cables prefabricated or a hyd crimper.
You can buy any number of clamping or solder/crimp lugs that can be attached with basic hand tools. But you “can” make elaborate cables if you wish.
Regarding wire size, the responses are all over the board here. Many who just think bigger is better. (It is, but doesn’t mean it’s necessary) I used a wire size calculator real quick to provide my recommendation. You should do the same. You have the data. It’s that easy.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2023-10-19T07:11:35.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2023-10-19T07:11:35.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1121},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:3620480/message:3620500","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1226","rawBody":"
ktmrfs wrote:
go to a welding shop and buy the length of welding cable in the gauge you want and have them put logs on it for you. Many shops can do that.

Otherwise you'll need a hybraulic crimper. And based on what I've done I'd suggest and least 2/0 wire if not 3/0. Most inverters have a low voltage shutoff and a few tenths of a volt drop can make the difference in inverter running and inverter shutting down.

And make sure you use the correct fuse to the inverter. they are big, bulky but meant to protect under the high load conditions.

Welding cable has lots of very fine wire so it is very flexible and easy to route.

OP, you don’t need anything elaborate like having cables prefabricated or a hyd crimper.
You can buy any number of clamping or solder/crimp lugs that can be attached with basic hand tools. But you “can” make elaborate cables if you wish.
Regarding wire size, the responses are all over the board here. Many who just think bigger is better. (It is, but doesn’t mean it’s necessary) I used a wire size calculator real quick to provide my recommendation. You should do the same. You have the data. It’s that easy.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3620500_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:2851":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:2851","uid":2851,"login":"valhalla360","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-08-19T14:10:39.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-8.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:36"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:2851"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3620499":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3620499","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3620499":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:2851"},"id":"message:3620499","revisionNum":1,"uid":3620499,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3620480"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3620480"},"subject":"Re: 12v wire thickness","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3620499"},"body":"
CA Traveler wrote:
Goog suggestion but I've never seen 4/O jumper cables, maybe from a tow truck?

Check jumper cablles as you want solid copper and notf copper coated alumiinum,

4' will limit the cost,


Problem is home depot was selling cable in 6ft lengths.

The 4 gauge was in the auto section and at 50amps, not too critical.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2023-10-19T06:38:55.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2023-10-19T06:38:55.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1129},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:3620480/message:3620499","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"401","rawBody":"
CA Traveler wrote:
Goog suggestion but I've never seen 4/O jumper cables, maybe from a tow truck?

Check jumper cablles as you want solid copper and notf copper coated alumiinum,

4' will limit the cost,


Problem is home depot was selling cable in 6ft lengths.

The 4 gauge was in the auto section and at 50amps, not too critical.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3620499_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"Rank:rank:40":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:40","position":31,"name":"Explorer III","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:276474":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:276474","uid":276474,"login":"CA_Traveler","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2004-01-03T11:58:48.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-2.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:276474"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3620498":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3620498","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3620498":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:276474"},"id":"message:3620498","revisionNum":1,"uid":3620498,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3620480"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3620480"},"subject":"Re: 12v wire thickness","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3620498"},"body":"Goog suggestion but I've never seen 4/O jumper cables, maybe from a tow truck?

Check jumper cablles as you want solid copper and notf copper coated alumiinum,

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Check jumper cablles as you want solid copper and notf copper coated alumiinum,

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At 3000w, you are pretty much up around what the starter on a car will pull, so yes, you need a thick cable.

You might look for a heavy duty set of jumper cables to sacrifice. Much smaller 50amp charger installed recently but the 6ft 4 gauge wire was running $30 per cable (ie: I needed 2). Set of jumper cables was $15. I cut the ends off and used the wire.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2023-10-18T23:54:26.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2023-10-18T23:54:26.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":767},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:3620480/message:3620497","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"651","rawBody":"The cable length and amperage determine the wire size needed. Online calculators are available. Search or voltage drop calculator. If you plug in 3000w, that should be a bit conservative for you 2000w inverter but if not significantly more, look at going on size larger.

At 3000w, you are pretty much up around what the starter on a car will pull, so yes, you need a thick cable.

You might look for a heavy duty set of jumper cables to sacrifice. Much smaller 50amp charger installed recently but the 6ft 4 gauge wire was running $30 per cable (ie: I needed 2). Set of jumper cables was $15. I cut the ends off and used the wire.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3620497_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3620496":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3620496","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3620496":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:276474"},"id":"message:3620496","revisionNum":1,"uid":3620496,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3620480"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3620480"},"subject":"Re: 12v wire thickness","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3620496"},"body":"
Boomerweps wrote:
I would not route inverter power via the shunt or buss bars (extra connections between the battery and inverter). Make it as direct & short as possible, just protection.
Without the inverter on the shunt the battery monitor would not be very accurate.

My shunt is rated at 500A 50mV hence very limited voltage drop considering its 25mV at 250A. Plus connections of course.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"207","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2023-10-18T18:49:52.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2023-10-18T18:49:52.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":767},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:3620480/message:3620496","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"435","rawBody":"
Boomerweps wrote:
I would not route inverter power via the shunt or buss bars (extra connections between the battery and inverter). Make it as direct & short as possible, just protection.
Without the inverter on the shunt the battery monitor would not be very accurate.

My shunt is rated at 500A 50mV hence very limited voltage drop considering its 25mV at 250A. Plus connections of course.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3620496_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:284":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:284","uid":284,"login":"Boomerweps","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2018-04-30T08:37:48.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:284"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3620495":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3620495","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3620495":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:284"},"id":"message:3620495","revisionNum":1,"uid":3620495,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3620480"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3620480"},"subject":"Re: 12v wire thickness","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3620495"},"body":"
timelinex wrote:
Boomerweps wrote:
Read the reviews on Amazon. Most complain about the wires supplied with inverters is TOO small, mostly 4 AWG.
Use at least 1/0awg or better yet, 2/0awg. If making your own, ask for the given gauge welding cables at your electrical supply store. Welding cable is very flexible with many smaller wires.
Another consideration is that many, myself included, decide that a given inverter is a little small and get a higher power unit. If the wiring is extra thick for the smaller inverter, it can support the larger unit.
IMO, the inverter should be directly connected to the battery bank with only a fuse or circuit breaker on the positive cable.


I plan on adding a BUS bar. Should I connect the negative end directly to my shunt and positive to my batteries...Or should I go through the Bus Bars, which add distance.


I would not route inverter power via the shunt or buss bars (extra connections between the battery and inverter). Make it as direct & short as possible, just protection.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2023-10-18T18:39:23.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2023-10-18T18:39:23.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":766},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:3620480/message:3620495","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1120","rawBody":"
timelinex wrote:
Boomerweps wrote:
Read the reviews on Amazon. Most complain about the wires supplied with inverters is TOO small, mostly 4 AWG.
Use at least 1/0awg or better yet, 2/0awg. If making your own, ask for the given gauge welding cables at your electrical supply store. Welding cable is very flexible with many smaller wires.
Another consideration is that many, myself included, decide that a given inverter is a little small and get a higher power unit. If the wiring is extra thick for the smaller inverter, it can support the larger unit.
IMO, the inverter should be directly connected to the battery bank with only a fuse or circuit breaker on the positive cable.


I plan on adding a BUS bar. Should I connect the negative end directly to my shunt and positive to my batteries...Or should I go through the Bus Bars, which add distance.


I would not route inverter power via the shunt or buss bars (extra connections between the battery and inverter). Make it as direct & short as possible, just protection.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3620495_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"Rank:rank:39":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:39","position":29,"name":"Nomad","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:1336":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:1336","uid":1336,"login":"enblethen","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2005-01-05T14:08:17.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:39"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:1336"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3620494":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3620494","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3620494":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1336"},"id":"message:3620494","revisionNum":1,"uid":3620494,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3620480"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3620480"},"subject":"Re: 12v wire thickness","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3620494"},"body":"Make sure whatever size you decide on, it has multiple strands. Building wire is not the best. Welding cable works but so does power wire available at fancy radio installation shops.
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be sure to wire the batteries in a balanced manner.

This is what is balanced and best for twin twelve volt batteries.



As it often doesn't cost a dime more to do this, I think it is worth the trouble.

If you wish to understand the \"why\" surf here:

correctly interconnecting multiple twelve volt batteries

Others may say it doesn't matter--but unless there is a compelling reason to not optimize charging and discharging why not do it the best possible way?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2023-10-18T14:57:43.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2023-10-18T14:57:43.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":762},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:3620480/message:3620493","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"717","rawBody":"timelinex,

be sure to wire the batteries in a balanced manner.

This is what is balanced and best for twin twelve volt batteries.



As it often doesn't cost a dime more to do this, I think it is worth the trouble.

If you wish to understand the \"why\" surf here:

correctly interconnecting multiple twelve volt batteries

Others may say it doesn't matter--but unless there is a compelling reason to not optimize charging and discharging why not do it the best possible way?","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3620493_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1741694506000","value":{"ariaLabelClosed":"Press the down arrow to open the menu"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1741694506000","value":{"escalationMessage":"Escalated to Salesforce by {username} on {date}","viewDetails":"View Details","modalTitle":"Case Details","escalatedBy":"Escalated by: ","escalatedOn":"Escalated on: ","caseNumber":"Case Number: ","status":"Status: ","lastUpdateDate":"Last Update: ","automaticEscalation":"automatic escalation","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1741694506000","value":{"authorName":"View Profile: {author}","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1741694506000","value":{"rankName":"{rankName}","userRank":"Author rank {rankName}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1741694506000","value":{"postTime":"Published: {time}","lastPublishTime":"Last Update: {time}","conversation.lastPostingActivityTime":"Last posting activity time: {time}","conversation.lastPostTime":"Last post time: {time}","moderationData.rejectTime":"Rejected time: {time}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1741694506000","value":{"solved":"Solved"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1741694506000","value":{"noSubject":"(no subject)"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1741694506000","value":{"showMessageBody":"Show More","mentionsErrorTitle":"{mentionsType, select, board {Board} user {User} message {Message} other {}} No Longer Available","mentionsErrorMessage":"The {mentionsType} you are trying to view has been removed from the community.","videoProcessing":"Video is being processed. 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