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- shelbyfvExplorerDefinitely should be more "objective" dialogue concerning the shape of the earth.
- 2112Explorer IILOL we're not being cancelled. She certainly wouldn't cancel her 94 yr old grandma.
Her point was the older generation debating and arguing over future technologies that may benefit her in her golden years will be dead and gone by the time it may become reality. Do you really think Millennials believe they can survive without oil? They know they need oil to manufacture products, and whatever they dream up. My son works for Chevron. He's not going to vote himself out of his job.
As for my DD that said we should lose our right to vote and drive, she was being sarcastic. She doesn't want to move back home to become our chauffeur. - nickthehunterNomad II
2112 wrote:
I have seen some of the ideas “THEY” have had, I’m not impressed.
I'll follow up with a discussion I recently had with my 36 year old daughter which somewhat opened my eyes.
Her opinion is us boomers should leave politics relating to the direction of our nations future to the people who will be living in it. We should stop trying to dictate what the world should be after we are all dead. We had our years of control and moments that matter. Technology changes with the seasons and it's not our place to say where it should be applied in regards to their future. We should now enjoy our golden years we planned for all those years and not worry about THEIR future and the world THEY will live in. That's their job now. If they want to go green, let them. It's their mistake to make. Only the future will tell and we won't be alive to see the outcome.
I couldn't argue with her. I realized as long as my DW and I can live out our last 20 years or so in comfort why should we try to define what takes place after that. Just don't burn down the house in the meantime.
A few days after that discussion I talked to my 33 yr old daughter about this. She point blank said we have messed things up enough already. Leave the world to them to clean up. Anyone over 65 should lose their right to drive and vote. We're in their way.
I always admired her sharp directness but I felt I took that one between the eyes.
Maybe we should all just chill out, not be so divided as a nation and let the next generation plan their future.
Now, what you say? Think this post will last an hour? - 3_tonsExplorer III
nickthehunter wrote:
2112 wrote:
I have seen some of the ideas “THEY” have had, I’m not impressed.
I'll follow up with a discussion I recently had with my 36 year old daughter which somewhat opened my eyes.
Her opinion is us boomers should leave politics relating to the direction of our nations future to the people who will be living in it. We should stop trying to dictate what the world should be after we are all dead. We had our years of control and moments that matter. Technology changes with the seasons and it's not our place to say where it should be applied in regards to their future. We should now enjoy our golden years we planned for all those years and not worry about THEIR future and the world THEY will live in. That's their job now. If they want to go green, let them. It's their mistake to make. Only the future will tell and we won't be alive to see the outcome.
I couldn't argue with her. I realized as long as my DW and I can live out our last 20 years or so in comfort why should we try to define what takes place after that. Just don't burn down the house in the meantime.
A few days after that discussion I talked to my 33 yr old daughter about this. She point blank said we have messed things up enough already. Leave the world to them to clean up. Anyone over 65 should lose their right to drive and vote. We're in their way.
I always admired her sharp directness but I felt I took that one between the eyes.
Maybe we should all just chill out, not be so divided as a nation and let the next generation plan their future.
Now, what you say? Think this post will last an hour?
Agreed, I think of it as ‘generational-acculturation’ - can make it difficult to have a gleeful Thanksgiving Dinner - lol, but gotta Love our kids :)
Most (but not all) ‘current’ Pedigrees aside (i.e. *critical thinking no longer academically stressed), may skepticism and the *Socratic method gifted by our wise fore-bearers now RIP…
3 tons - pianotunaNomad III3 tons,
There are no merits to having global co2 levels this high. - HTElectricalExplorer
3 tons wrote:
A cogent construct worthy of serious consideration! (e.g. an anecdote to ‘outcome based’ modeling)…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-nsU_DaIZE
3 tons
The problem I see with this is it was made in 2013. Not very current!!!! - way2rollNavigator II
HTElectrical wrote:
3 tons wrote:
A cogent construct worthy of serious consideration! (e.g. an anecdote to ‘outcome based’ modeling)…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-nsU_DaIZE
3 tons
The problem I see with this is it was made in 2013. Not very current!!!!
And not very credible. - 3_tonsExplorer III
pianotuna wrote:
3 tons,
There are no merits to having global co2 levels this high.
Interesting…How did you come about this absolute certainty??…I only ask this so as to learn how not to be wrong :)
3 tons - ajridingExplorer IITrees and plants LOVE CO2 !!!! More CO2 means more green plants. The world is greener than ever.
If you want to know for yourself how much we are lied to then you can do an easy experiment yourself right in your kitchen.
Take a bowl and put a big chunk of ice in it. Maybe freeze a paper cup of water and use that as the chunk. put the ice in the bowl of water and mark precisely where the water level is. Let the ice melt. Now mark where the ice level is. You will realize how big the lie is.
Hint, the water level does not change when the ice melts.
One pound of ice is one pound of water.
One pound of ice displaces the EXACT, precisely the EXACT, same amount of water as one pound of water.
Sea ice, which by definition is ice on the ocean, when melted, will not increase ocean levels one bit, zero, nada, ziltch. This is the big lie people fall for over and over and over. It is such simple science, but so many people fall for the simplest of lies.
If all the sea ice on earth melted NOTHING would happen to the ocean levels. They would remain the exact same as they are now. Your vacation house built 3 feet above sea level would still be 3 feet above sea level if all the ice melted.
There is not enough fresh snow/ice on land to do much of anything to sea levels either. Almost all the ice is floating on the ocean.
The Arctic Sea ice is increasing in size currently. Sea levels are not lowering. - way2rollNavigator II
ajriding wrote:
Trees and plants LOVE CO2 !!!! More CO2 means more green plants. The world is greener than ever.
If you want to know for yourself how much we are lied to then you can do an easy experiment yourself right in your kitchen.
Take a bowl and put a big chunk of ice in it. Maybe freeze a paper cup of water and use that as the chunk. put the ice in the bowl of water and mark precisely where the water level is. Let the ice melt. Now mark where the ice level is. You will realize how big the lie is.
Hint, the water level does not change when the ice melts.
One pound of ice is one pound of water.
One pound of ice displaces the EXACT, precisely the EXACT, same amount of water as one pound of water.
Sea ice, which by definition is ice on the ocean, when melted, will not increase ocean levels one bit, zero, nada, ziltch. This is the big lie people fall for over and over and over. It is such simple science, but so many people fall for the simplest of lies.
If all the sea ice on earth melted NOTHING would happen to the ocean levels. They would remain the exact same as they are now. Your vacation house built 3 feet above sea level would still be 3 feet above sea level if all the ice melted.
There is not enough fresh snow/ice on land to do much of anything to sea levels either. Almost all the ice is floating on the ocean.
The Arctic Sea ice is increasing in size currently. Sea levels are not lowering.
A few things - we are not greener than ever and that's part of the problem. Rising CO2 levels while we continually clear cut forests throws the balance off.
To your second point about sea levels, I totally agree. Erosion causes sea level rise. And Erosion is perfectly natural and been happening since mountains and rivers and wind and rain existed. That said, clear cutting of forests causes erosion and exacerbates the problem. But that doesn't fit the narrative. Scientists always dismiss erosion causing sea level rise in favor of ice caps melting. Because you can leverage the latter narrative to make money. The stopping of de-forestation which in turn stops development kills a cash cow. Everything always comes back to money and humans do a great job of over stating how important we are that we control everything. Because - it makes money.
Humans have been here for a second in terms of the historical timeline and in that timeframe we have crowned ourselves the king for the reason of everything that happens on the planet. Humans are power hungry parasites and that character will be our own demise. In another second we will be gone and this big old ball will shake us off and continue to do what it has for millions of years. Thawing, cooling, thawing cooling.....
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