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GoodCamper
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Jul 05, 2015

An electrical system puzzle

We have a 2012 Keystone Cougar 5th wheel with a 50amp system. This rig is brand new to us, but we have several years of travel trailer experience. The rig has a WFCO power distribution center and a WFCO WF-9800 converter. The distribution panel has a 15A breaker for the GFI 120v outlets and a 15A breaker for the non-GFI 120v outlets. We're plugged into a 20a GFI shore power outlet (at home) through the 50A cable, a 50 - 30A adapter, and a 30 - 15A adapter.

Got a puzzling electrical problem. The 1st clue something was wrong: my wife had the 12v radio/DVD player on. She was vacuuming, connected to a GFI outlet. I flipped the "RECEPT" (non-GFI outlets) breaker on - so we could run the refrigerator - and the volume on the radio dropped significantly! I checked the voltage at one of the non-GFI outlets and it was about 118v. The refrigerator worked. The vacuum cleaner worked when plugged into a non-GFI outlet. That was yesterday morning.

Today, the "Check" light on the refrigerator came on. No 120VAC and it was trying to run on propane, which was shut off. Turned the refer off/on - same problem. Checked and found no 120VAC at any outlet. The breaker in the source 20A GFI shore power outlet had popped. Now, every time I turn on the distribution panel breaker for the non-GFI
outlets in the rig, the GFI breaker on the shore power source outlet pops, even if nothing is plugged into these non-GFI outlets. Powering the GFI outlets in the rig works fine.

Sorry for the LONG story, but I don't know how else to explain it. I'll probably have to take it somewhere for service, but I'm pretty good at DYI and any wisdom or suggestions will be greatly appreciated!

15 Replies

  • ktmrfs's avatar
    ktmrfs
    Explorer III
    depending on the dogbone your using to go from 240V 50A to 120V you could end up with a GFI that trips. A 50A service is two legs of 120V. And depending on how you go from the 50A/240 to 120 you could either end up with only one leg powered or the two legs tied together. and how it ends up getting configured can be incompatible with a upstream GFI outlet. GFI outlets will trip if they see ground/neutral bonding downstream or some aspects of a 240 trailer to 120V trailer adapter. In fact some of the 50A/240V to 30a/120 adapters will say NOT compatible with GFI outlets.
  • unplug the fridge 120v plug
    then turn your breakers on one at a time
    if nothing trips, plug the fridge back in
    might be a bad 120v heating element in the fridge
    or like others have some moisture someplace
    is the vacuum still plugged in ? unplug it
  • You have a ground fault - ie current leaking to ground and it likely has nothing to do with the GFI circuit in the rig.

    Typically the most likely problem is moisture as in outside plugs, HW, refer and plugs near sinks. Basically turn all rig CBs off, plug in and then try each CB one at a time to help isolate.

    Many many related posts on this board. Search including the archives.

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