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StirCrazy
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Dec 11, 2025

are you running Battleborn batteries?

so most know I have never been a battleborn fan, not only because I feel they are about 2 to 3 times the price the should be, but I believe in the KISS principle.  They use cylindrical cells, which in all reality have no practical advantage in the RV usage and only minimal advantage in the uses wher ethey would excell.  But, by using 120 cells all soldered or fastened togeather it gives you 240 points of failure just on the battery, a prismatic battery using 4 cells has 8 and is easily reparable in comparason.  

getting away from that I was surfing youtube and there was a headline that caught my eye about issue with battleborn batteries.  this is a video anyone with a battleborn should watch and understand what is happening.  if you don't take it out of your system then at least you know what to look for so when it does happen you can remove it from the system.  it also shows that the design isn't that great, but thats a secondary issue.  the primary issue would to be to keep them from causing a fire if they get to that point. 

https://youtu.be/XP2yPY57Wjc

At the verry least start watching the temps and giving the posts a wiggle every now and then.  

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  • I don’t have the technical knowledge you do but never understood why I could buy two or three other guy Lithiums for the price of one Battleborn. And I didn’t. Four years with a Logissy 200 amp and no issues so far. 

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      battle born when they first camp out was one of a small number of importers/assemblers in the US targiting the rv market.  they went with the smaller cilindrical cells, why I am not sure but I can only speculate becayse they were cheep and that system was being used in ev's at the time, and prismatic cells were fairly new and more expensive. now days you can get a cell compatable with what they use for 1.49/cell (Cdn) and there are 120 cells in a 100AH battery so that works out to just under 130US for the cells.  now there is more labour as they have to make thoes batteries into serries parralel situation, basicly building 4 cells and assembling it into a battery.  so you basicly have to spot weld all thoes batteries togeather into cell groups making over 240 points of failure, in my opinion. 

      when I build a battery out of prismatic cells I have to screw down 8 termanals, and I use a torque wrench.  so I have much less chance of failure in a vibration atmosphere.  some cheeper batteries that use prismatic cells do use laser welding to joint the batteries directly to a busbar, but thats far to pricy for me, who just builds stuff for family and friends, for free mind you 🤔 they do supply what I need to build it though, its more of a hobby for me.  

      now I digress, to get back on topick when they went to the market there were only a small handfull of compettitors, I think dakota and iconic who were using prismatic cells and they are all about 1000 bucks for a 100Ah.  as lithium dropped in price more people got into the game starting the price drop that went on for the last 10-12 years.  a good example of this is 3 years ago I bought the urrent cells I am using for 160.00US/Cell so by the time I got them shipped and such to canada, I made the mistake of ordering them from a US company instead of direct from china as I was in a hurry so all in all it was 900 (cdn) bucks to my door with exchange shipping taxes and the cross boarder charges.  today I can order the new version of the same sized cell that is 314Ah instead of 304 for about 55US each to my door.  so 220US plus say another 200US you can have a 300AH battery if you build it yourself saving about 180 ovewr buying a watt cycle 314Ah.  dragonfly energy (battleborn's parent company) is still asking over 3400cdn for a 270AH battery at the rv dealerships.  

      so what it boiles down to is battle born had an exceptional markiting and pr department and managed to convince people that they were worth the extra money and never dropped their pricing as the market dropped.  in any world except the consumers thats a win, the problem as we see now they made some design choices that were suspect and instead of changing it years ago and redesigning it when they started having issues, they blamed it on abuse.  it worked because no one ever opened them up till now.  now they have to stick to that design feature and deny there is any issues or they can open them up to a lot of recalls, like every battery they ever made for the most part.   no company could withstand that so it is understandable why they are digging in and fighting so hard.  

      I have a feeling it is going to come down to a class action suit, which is to bad as people will probably get pennies on the dollar for a settlement.

  • Will Prowse has a new updated video on BattleBorn. I actually lucked out and upgraded my battery bank to Epoch {3-314Ah lithium} before all of the BB upheaval happened. Because of all of BB's gaslighting, I'll will never buy any of their products again! To my, fellow RVers, if you're still using BB keep a close eye on them or not take the chance and change them out.

    Latest from Will Prowse

    https://youtu.be/uT0mSH3991o?si=XZcfeeAkdkqGKA56

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      thats the same video I just posted this morning, except I posted it as a link.

      what gets me is all the youtube stars that are sponcered by battleborn speaking out against him then retracting their statments haha.  

  • Big fan of Will Prowse here. I do not own any Battleborn batteries, but if I did, I would definitely watch out for the issue he raised. I would recommend anyone with large batteries of any chemistry to have an IR thermometer. Same goes for anyone with wheel bearings on a trailer. Periodic checking of component temperatures is a valuable way to get ahead of problems before they turn into catastrophes.

    Actually, good idea to go run that IR thermometer over your electrics no matter what battery you have. You know, just in case . . . .

    (When you have one wheel bearing running hotter than the others by a significant amount, it means you have one about to fail, and nobody wants to go there.) (When you have an electrical component running hot, you have a potential fire, and SOMETHING needs to be done.)

  • I've had their (3) 100Ah batteries for 6 six years with no issues, and I did watch both videos by Will Prowse. What also disturbs me is the company's response to this problem, and that is to blame anyone else but themselves. I will not be buying any more of their products due to this bad attitude!

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  • Interesting points. Cylindrical cell packs do add many more potential failure points compared to prismatic designs, and it’s smart to understand the risks. Thanks for sharing the video definitely useful for Battle Born users to know what to watch for and how to respond safely.