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mattherrington
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Apr 10, 2018

Charging While Towing

Newbie to the forum here. Looked around a bit and didn't see anything specific so worth a fresh post.

We just took our first long trip in my 16ft TT after I installed a new (4)6-volt 460AH system in lieu of the single group 27 marine battery. Installed a Victron 700-BVM which was/is the coolest gadget. Love the AH consumed/charged function as that and voltage were my real measurements of state of charge. Didn't quite like the percentage used so that'll take a little programming change (hopefully).

Overall on the six night trip we used 170AH with the kids watching DVDs every night, ending voltage when we got home was around 12.25V. Pretty respectable. Just the smoke detector, carbon monoxide, propane detector, propane fridge controls, and a USB that stays hot draws about .85A an hour and if we were out for the day I'd just shut it down.

To my surprise though I didn't get the charge I thought I would when we were out on the road. We relocated twice 2-3 hours each and drove home 8 hours yesterday and the change in AH and voltage was seemingly negligible each time.

I've got a 30A lead wired from a empty fuse slot to the 7-pin connector. My big battery system install is right to the original connection points on the TT to keep things simple. When I start the truck I can see the Amps inbound to the trailer peak at about 5A but then really quickly it dropped down to 1/0/-.85. The AH meter moves backwards and forwards so I recorded a little dent in AH used right at startup but that was it.

My simple math said even at 5A inbound I'd see a real dent in total AH consumed on our crazy long drive home and it was at 175AH when we left and 171AH when we got home. Every time it basically felt like it was a wash and I thought I'd see a 30-40AH pickup after a whole day on the road. Truck voltage the whole ride was considerably above (runs around 13.4 to 13.6 on the move) the trailer batteries in the mid/low 12's.

Only thing I can come up with is that I run full lights on (lights on for safety!) all the time and the running/marker/brake lights on the trailer are still incandescent and that's consuming most of that trailer feed?

Seems like I'm missing something. Any insight from you experienced folk would be appreciated.

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  • jkwilson's avatar
    jkwilson
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    Apr 11, 2018
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    DavidP wrote:

    Not exactly. The remote/trailer battery will receive the full voltage the tow vehicle provides but the tow vehicle in many applications and in all modern (factory install) cases uses a battery isolator to protect from discharge of heavy loads and rapid discharge of the remote/trailer. True they are installed in parallel but it is one sided. No matter the state of charge/discharge of the trailer battery the tow vehicle battery is isolated from loads/discharge originating from the remote/trailer battery


    I've never seen one with any kind of isolator. At best you have a relay and a fuse to break the connection when the key is off, but many vehicles only have a fuse.
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    SoundGuy
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    Apr 11, 2018
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    brulaz wrote:
    So installed a left-over 1000W inverter in the truck (which has a 220A alternator). Good for other things too (like charging tool batteries), but primarily use it to run a 650W battery charger in the trailer. Added an extension cord with water tight couplings between truck and trailer and we're good.


    Curious - did you install the inverter under the hood or elsewhere, how long is the run to the inverter input, what input cable gauge did you use, and did you connect directly to the starting battery or elsewhere? :@
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    theoldwizard1
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    Apr 11, 2018
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    DavidP wrote:

    Not exactly. The remote/trailer battery will receive the full voltage the tow vehicle provides but the tow vehicle in many applications and in all (?) modern (factory install) cases uses a battery isolator to protect from discharge of heavy loads and rapid discharge of the remote/trailer. True they are installed in parallel but it is one sided. No matter the state of charge/discharge of the trailer battery the tow vehicle battery is isolated from loads/discharge originating from the remote/trailer battery

    I disagree with this statement !

    If have looked at a few different wiring diagrams (mostly Ford products) and there is NO ISOLATOR between the vehicle battery and the 7 pin trailer connector. Usually just a fuse and a relay.

    Voltage drop from the vehicle battery to the trailer battery IS MEASURABLE ! Easily 0.2V-0.8V depending on the gauge of the wire, and the "condition" of any connectors. Modern vehicle charging system typically put out about 13.2V-13.6V most of the time. Subtract the voltage drop and you just don't have enough voltage at the house battery to properly charge it.
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    theoldwizard1
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    brulaz wrote:
    So installed a left-over 1000W inverter in the truck (which has a 220A alternator). Good for other things too (like charging tool batteries), but primarily use it to run a 650W battery charger in the trailer. Added an extension cord with water tight couplings between truck and trailer and we're good.

    That will work ! Not as "clean"/simple install as a DC-DC charger, but if you have the "left-over" inverter, it IS less expensive !
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    DavidP
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    jkwilson wrote:
    Rustofer wrote:
    Another thing that could be happening is that your alternator is pushing out current based on the needs of your starting battery, which gets replenished quickly. It's frustrating that today's trucks come with high-capacity alternators that basically do almost nothing because the sophisticated controls tell it the starting battery is fully charged. I've wondered if a way around this would be to wire the trailer connection directly to the starting battery with an isolator that opens when the truck is not running. Hmmm . . .


    That’s not really how an electrical system works. The trailer charge line will draw current from the vehicle electrical system and that draw will cause the voltage to drop and the charging system will increase output. The trailer batteries are in parallel with the starting battery, so they are all one electrical system.


    Not exactly. The remote/trailer battery will receive the full voltage the tow vehicle provides but the tow vehicle in many applications and in all modern (factory install) cases uses a battery isolator to protect from discharge of heavy loads and rapid discharge of the remote/trailer. True they are installed in parallel but it is one sided. No matter the state of charge/discharge of the trailer battery the tow vehicle battery is isolated from loads/discharge originating from the remote/trailer battery
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    SoundGuy
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    landyacht318 wrote:
    There are also DC to DC converters which can step up vehicle voltage, and can speed the charging of distant batteries.


    The best solution for those wanting to charge a deep cycle battery while driving.

    EXAMPLE
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    brulaz
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    We have the solar that usually charges up the batts when travelling, but on cloudy rainy days last summer it wasn't doing it.

    So installed a left-over 1000W inverter in the truck (which has a 220A alternator). Good for other things too (like charging tool batteries), but primarily use it to run a 650W battery charger in the trailer. Added an extension cord with water tight couplings between truck and trailer and we're good.
  • jkwilson's avatar
    jkwilson
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    Rustofer wrote:
    Another thing that could be happening is that your alternator is pushing out current based on the needs of your starting battery, which gets replenished quickly. It's frustrating that today's trucks come with high-capacity alternators that basically do almost nothing because the sophisticated controls tell it the starting battery is fully charged. I've wondered if a way around this would be to wire the trailer connection directly to the starting battery with an isolator that opens when the truck is not running. Hmmm . . .


    That’s not really how an electrical system works. The trailer charge line will draw current from the vehicle electrical system and that draw will cause the voltage to drop and the charging system will increase output. The trailer batteries are in parallel with the starting battery, so they are all one electrical system.
  • landyacht318's avatar
    landyacht318
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    mattherrington wrote:
    I get it now.

    I can be at 13.4V all day in the truck and it's not going to dent my 4 GC2 US Battery bank. Bulk and absorption charge for these batteries is spec'd at 14.7V to final 97% of capacity and then drops to 13.0 for the float. I'm really sending a trickle back there to batteries down 30-40% hence net zero on the road.


    I can spin a potentiometer on my Dash and watch both an Ammeter, and a voltmeter whose voltage sense leads are on the battery terminals themselves, respond to me spinning that voltage dial.

    In general if I have it set for 13.6v, and give it a few minutes of driving, then ask for 14.7v, about 2/3 more amps flow into my battery. This is true whether the battery is at 50% or at 95%.

    So I choose 14.7v until I know the batteries are full, then 13.6v.

    Rather than beefing up the wiring, some will power an inverter off enginne battery, powering a 25+ amp charger hooked to trailers house batteries.

    One can also run thicker copper from alternator and ground through a hefty connector to the trailer batteries, and bypass the 4 or 7 pin cable and get much more voltage at the trailer batts.

    Hefty

    But when the vehicle chooses 13.6v and says Good enough, the inverter powering a higher amp 'smart' charger will likely deliver more juice to depleted trailer batteries.

    There are also DC to DC converters which can step up vehicle voltage, and can speed the charging of distant batteries.
  • Rustofer's avatar
    Rustofer
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    Apr 11, 2018
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    Another thing that could be happening is that your alternator is pushing out current based on the needs of your starting battery, which gets replenished quickly. It's frustrating that today's trucks come with high-capacity alternators that basically do almost nothing because the sophisticated controls tell it the starting battery is fully charged. I've wondered if a way around this would be to wire the trailer connection directly to the starting battery with an isolator that opens when the truck is not running. Hmmm . . .

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Looked around a bit and didn't see anything specific so worth a fresh post.

We just took our first long trip in my 16ft TT after I installed a new (4)6-volt 460AH system in lieu of the single group 27 marine battery. Installed a Victron 700-BVM which was/is the coolest gadget. Love the AH consumed/charged function as that and voltage were my real measurements of state of charge. Didn't quite like the percentage used so that'll take a little programming change (hopefully).

Overall on the six night trip we used 170AH with the kids watching DVDs every night, ending voltage when we got home was around 12.25V. Pretty respectable. Just the smoke detector, carbon monoxide, propane detector, propane fridge controls, and a USB that stays hot draws about .85A an hour and if we were out for the day I'd just shut it down.

To my surprise though I didn't get the charge I thought I would when we were out on the road. We relocated twice 2-3 hours each and drove home 8 hours yesterday and the change in AH and voltage was seemingly negligible each time.

I've got a 30A lead wired from a empty fuse slot to the 7-pin connector. My big battery system install is right to the original connection points on the TT to keep things simple. When I start the truck I can see the Amps inbound to the trailer peak at about 5A but then really quickly it dropped down to 1/0/-.85. The AH meter moves backwards and forwards so I recorded a little dent in AH used right at startup but that was it.

My simple math said even at 5A inbound I'd see a real dent in total AH consumed on our crazy long drive home and it was at 175AH when we left and 171AH when we got home. Every time it basically felt like it was a wash and I thought I'd see a 30-40AH pickup after a whole day on the road. Truck voltage the whole ride was considerably above (runs around 13.4 to 13.6 on the move) the trailer batteries in the mid/low 12's.

Only thing I can come up with is that I run full lights on (lights on for safety!) all the time and the running/marker/brake lights on the trailer are still incandescent and that's consuming most of that trailer feed?

Seems like I'm missing something. Any insight from you experienced folk would be appreciated.","body@stringLength":"2322","rawBody":"Newbie to the forum here. Looked around a bit and didn't see anything specific so worth a fresh post.

We just took our first long trip in my 16ft TT after I installed a new (4)6-volt 460AH system in lieu of the single group 27 marine battery. Installed a Victron 700-BVM which was/is the coolest gadget. Love the AH consumed/charged function as that and voltage were my real measurements of state of charge. Didn't quite like the percentage used so that'll take a little programming change (hopefully).

Overall on the six night trip we used 170AH with the kids watching DVDs every night, ending voltage when we got home was around 12.25V. Pretty respectable. Just the smoke detector, carbon monoxide, propane detector, propane fridge controls, and a USB that stays hot draws about .85A an hour and if we were out for the day I'd just shut it down.

To my surprise though I didn't get the charge I thought I would when we were out on the road. We relocated twice 2-3 hours each and drove home 8 hours yesterday and the change in AH and voltage was seemingly negligible each time.

I've got a 30A lead wired from a empty fuse slot to the 7-pin connector. My big battery system install is right to the original connection points on the TT to keep things simple. When I start the truck I can see the Amps inbound to the trailer peak at about 5A but then really quickly it dropped down to 1/0/-.85. The AH meter moves backwards and forwards so I recorded a little dent in AH used right at startup but that was it.

My simple math said even at 5A inbound I'd see a real dent in total AH consumed on our crazy long drive home and it was at 175AH when we left and 171AH when we got home. Every time it basically felt like it was a wash and I thought I'd see a 30-40AH pickup after a whole day on the road. Truck voltage the whole ride was considerably above (runs around 13.4 to 13.6 on the move) the trailer batteries in the mid/low 12's.

Only thing I can come up with is that I run full lights on (lights on for safety!) all the time and the running/marker/brake lights on the trailer are still incandescent and that's consuming most of that trailer feed?

Seems like I'm missing something. 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DavidP wrote:

Not exactly. The remote/trailer battery will receive the full voltage the tow vehicle provides but the tow vehicle in many applications and in all modern (factory install) cases uses a battery isolator to protect from discharge of heavy loads and rapid discharge of the remote/trailer. True they are installed in parallel but it is one sided. No matter the state of charge/discharge of the trailer battery the tow vehicle battery is isolated from loads/discharge originating from the remote/trailer battery


I've never seen one with any kind of isolator. At best you have a relay and a fuse to break the connection when the key is off, but many vehicles only have a fuse.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-04-11T08:27:17.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-04-11T08:27:17.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":569},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2934726/message:2934754","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"734","rawBody":"
DavidP wrote:

Not exactly. The remote/trailer battery will receive the full voltage the tow vehicle provides but the tow vehicle in many applications and in all modern (factory install) cases uses a battery isolator to protect from discharge of heavy loads and rapid discharge of the remote/trailer. True they are installed in parallel but it is one sided. No matter the state of charge/discharge of the trailer battery the tow vehicle battery is isolated from loads/discharge originating from the remote/trailer battery


I've never seen one with any kind of isolator. At best you have a relay and a fuse to break the connection when the key is off, but many vehicles only have a fuse.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2934754_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:192433":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:192433","uid":192433,"login":"SoundGuy","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2015-02-11T04:00:35.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-3.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:192433"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2934753":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2934753","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2934753":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:192433"},"id":"message:2934753","revisionNum":1,"uid":2934753,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2934726"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2934726"},"subject":"Re: Charging While Towing","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2934753"},"body":"
brulaz wrote:
So installed a left-over 1000W inverter in the truck (which has a 220A alternator). Good for other things too (like charging tool batteries), but primarily use it to run a 650W battery charger in the trailer. Added an extension cord with water tight couplings between truck and trailer and we're good.


Curious - did you install the inverter under the hood or elsewhere, how long is the run to the inverter input, what input cable gauge did you use, and did you connect directly to the starting battery or elsewhere? :@","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-04-11T07:36:14.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-04-11T07:36:14.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":570},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2934726/message:2934753","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"580","rawBody":"
brulaz wrote:
So installed a left-over 1000W inverter in the truck (which has a 220A alternator). Good for other things too (like charging tool batteries), but primarily use it to run a 650W battery charger in the trailer. Added an extension cord with water tight couplings between truck and trailer and we're good.


Curious - did you install the inverter under the hood or elsewhere, how long is the run to the inverter input, what input cable gauge did you use, and did you connect directly to the starting battery or elsewhere? :@","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2934753_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"Rank:rank:41":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:41","position":33,"name":"Explorer II","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:252791":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:252791","uid":252791,"login":"theoldwizard1","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2010-09-07T08:13:14.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-7.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:252791"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2934752":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2934752","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2934752":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:252791"},"id":"message:2934752","revisionNum":1,"uid":2934752,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2934726"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2934726"},"subject":"Re: Charging While Towing","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2934752"},"body":"
DavidP wrote:

Not exactly. The remote/trailer battery will receive the full voltage the tow vehicle provides but the tow vehicle in many applications and in all (?) modern (factory install) cases uses a battery isolator to protect from discharge of heavy loads and rapid discharge of the remote/trailer. True they are installed in parallel but it is one sided. No matter the state of charge/discharge of the trailer battery the tow vehicle battery is isolated from loads/discharge originating from the remote/trailer battery

I disagree with this statement !

If have looked at a few different wiring diagrams (mostly Ford products) and there is NO ISOLATOR between the vehicle battery and the 7 pin trailer connector. Usually just a fuse and a relay.

Voltage drop from the vehicle battery to the trailer battery IS MEASURABLE ! Easily 0.2V-0.8V depending on the gauge of the wire, and the \"condition\" of any connectors. Modern vehicle charging system typically put out about 13.2V-13.6V most of the time. Subtract the voltage drop and you just don't have enough voltage at the house battery to properly charge it.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-04-11T07:29:01.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-04-11T07:29:01.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":569},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2934726/message:2934752","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1210","rawBody":"
DavidP wrote:

Not exactly. The remote/trailer battery will receive the full voltage the tow vehicle provides but the tow vehicle in many applications and in all (?) modern (factory install) cases uses a battery isolator to protect from discharge of heavy loads and rapid discharge of the remote/trailer. True they are installed in parallel but it is one sided. No matter the state of charge/discharge of the trailer battery the tow vehicle battery is isolated from loads/discharge originating from the remote/trailer battery

I disagree with this statement !

If have looked at a few different wiring diagrams (mostly Ford products) and there is NO ISOLATOR between the vehicle battery and the 7 pin trailer connector. Usually just a fuse and a relay.

Voltage drop from the vehicle battery to the trailer battery IS MEASURABLE ! Easily 0.2V-0.8V depending on the gauge of the wire, and the \"condition\" of any connectors. Modern vehicle charging system typically put out about 13.2V-13.6V most of the time. Subtract the voltage drop and you just don't have enough voltage at the house battery to properly charge it.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2934752_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2934751":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2934751","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2934751":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:252791"},"id":"message:2934751","revisionNum":1,"uid":2934751,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2934726"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2934726"},"subject":"Re: Charging While Towing","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2934751"},"body":"
brulaz wrote:
So installed a left-over 1000W inverter in the truck (which has a 220A alternator). Good for other things too (like charging tool batteries), but primarily use it to run a 650W battery charger in the trailer. Added an extension cord with water tight couplings between truck and trailer and we're good.

That will work ! Not as \"clean\"/simple install as a DC-DC charger, but if you have the \"left-over\" inverter, it IS less expensive !","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-04-11T07:21:24.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-04-11T07:21:24.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":569},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2934726/message:2934751","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"490","rawBody":"
brulaz wrote:
So installed a left-over 1000W inverter in the truck (which has a 220A alternator). Good for other things too (like charging tool batteries), but primarily use it to run a 650W battery charger in the trailer. Added an extension cord with water tight couplings between truck and trailer and we're good.

That will work ! Not as \"clean\"/simple install as a DC-DC charger, but if you have the \"left-over\" inverter, it IS less expensive !","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2934751_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:63376":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:63376","uid":63376,"login":"DavidP","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2006-09-13T09:07:43.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-7.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:63376"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2934750":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2934750","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2934750":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:63376"},"id":"message:2934750","revisionNum":1,"uid":2934750,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2934726"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2934726"},"subject":"Re: Charging While Towing","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2934750"},"body":"
jkwilson wrote:
Rustofer wrote:
Another thing that could be happening is that your alternator is pushing out current based on the needs of your starting battery, which gets replenished quickly. It's frustrating that today's trucks come with high-capacity alternators that basically do almost nothing because the sophisticated controls tell it the starting battery is fully charged. I've wondered if a way around this would be to wire the trailer connection directly to the starting battery with an isolator that opens when the truck is not running. Hmmm . . .


That’s not really how an electrical system works. The trailer charge line will draw current from the vehicle electrical system and that draw will cause the voltage to drop and the charging system will increase output. The trailer batteries are in parallel with the starting battery, so they are all one electrical system.


Not exactly. The remote/trailer battery will receive the full voltage the tow vehicle provides but the tow vehicle in many applications and in all modern (factory install) cases uses a battery isolator to protect from discharge of heavy loads and rapid discharge of the remote/trailer. True they are installed in parallel but it is one sided. No matter the state of charge/discharge of the trailer battery the tow vehicle battery is isolated from loads/discharge originating from the remote/trailer battery","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-04-11T06:15:45.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-04-11T06:15:45.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":795},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2934726/message:2934750","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1476","rawBody":"
jkwilson wrote:
Rustofer wrote:
Another thing that could be happening is that your alternator is pushing out current based on the needs of your starting battery, which gets replenished quickly. It's frustrating that today's trucks come with high-capacity alternators that basically do almost nothing because the sophisticated controls tell it the starting battery is fully charged. I've wondered if a way around this would be to wire the trailer connection directly to the starting battery with an isolator that opens when the truck is not running. Hmmm . . .


That’s not really how an electrical system works. The trailer charge line will draw current from the vehicle electrical system and that draw will cause the voltage to drop and the charging system will increase output. The trailer batteries are in parallel with the starting battery, so they are all one electrical system.


Not exactly. The remote/trailer battery will receive the full voltage the tow vehicle provides but the tow vehicle in many applications and in all modern (factory install) cases uses a battery isolator to protect from discharge of heavy loads and rapid discharge of the remote/trailer. True they are installed in parallel but it is one sided. No matter the state of charge/discharge of the trailer battery the tow vehicle battery is isolated from loads/discharge originating from the remote/trailer battery","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2934750_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2934749":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2934749","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2934749":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:192433"},"id":"message:2934749","revisionNum":1,"uid":2934749,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2934726"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2934726"},"subject":"Re: Charging While Towing","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2934749"},"body":"
landyacht318 wrote:
There are also DC to DC converters which can step up vehicle voltage, and can speed the charging of distant batteries.


The best solution for those wanting to charge a deep cycle battery while driving.

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landyacht318 wrote:
There are also DC to DC converters which can step up vehicle voltage, and can speed the charging of distant batteries.


The best solution for those wanting to charge a deep cycle battery while driving.

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So installed a left-over 1000W inverter in the truck (which has a 220A alternator). Good for other things too (like charging tool batteries), but primarily use it to run a 650W battery charger in the trailer. Added an extension cord with water tight couplings between truck and trailer and we're good.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-04-11T03:58:51.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-04-11T03:58:51.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":797},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2934726/message:2934748","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"438","rawBody":"We have the solar that usually charges up the batts when travelling, but on cloudy rainy days last summer it wasn't doing it.

So installed a left-over 1000W inverter in the truck (which has a 220A alternator). Good for other things too (like charging tool batteries), but primarily use it to run a 650W battery charger in the trailer. Added an extension cord with water tight couplings between truck and trailer and we're good.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2934748_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2934747":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2934747","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2934747":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:2335"},"id":"message:2934747","revisionNum":1,"uid":2934747,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2934726"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2934726"},"subject":"Re: Charging While Towing","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2934747"},"body":"
Rustofer wrote:
Another thing that could be happening is that your alternator is pushing out current based on the needs of your starting battery, which gets replenished quickly. It's frustrating that today's trucks come with high-capacity alternators that basically do almost nothing because the sophisticated controls tell it the starting battery is fully charged. I've wondered if a way around this would be to wire the trailer connection directly to the starting battery with an isolator that opens when the truck is not running. Hmmm . . .


That’s not really how an electrical system works. The trailer charge line will draw current from the vehicle electrical system and that draw will cause the voltage to drop and the charging system will increase output. The trailer batteries are in parallel with the starting battery, so they are all one electrical system.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-04-11T02:33:15.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-04-11T02:33:15.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":798},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2934726/message:2934747","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"909","rawBody":"
Rustofer wrote:
Another thing that could be happening is that your alternator is pushing out current based on the needs of your starting battery, which gets replenished quickly. It's frustrating that today's trucks come with high-capacity alternators that basically do almost nothing because the sophisticated controls tell it the starting battery is fully charged. I've wondered if a way around this would be to wire the trailer connection directly to the starting battery with an isolator that opens when the truck is not running. Hmmm . . .


That’s not really how an electrical system works. The trailer charge line will draw current from the vehicle electrical system and that draw will cause the voltage to drop and the charging system will increase output. The trailer batteries are in parallel with the starting battery, so they are all one electrical system.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2934747_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:155800":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:155800","uid":155800,"login":"landyacht318","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2007-07-11T22:11:44.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-8.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:155800"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2934746":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2934746","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2934746":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:155800"},"id":"message:2934746","revisionNum":1,"uid":2934746,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2934726"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2934726"},"subject":"Re: Charging While Towing","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2934746"},"body":"
mattherrington wrote:
I get it now.

I can be at 13.4V all day in the truck and it's not going to dent my 4 GC2 US Battery bank. Bulk and absorption charge for these batteries is spec'd at 14.7V to final 97% of capacity and then drops to 13.0 for the float. I'm really sending a trickle back there to batteries down 30-40% hence net zero on the road.


I can spin a potentiometer on my Dash and watch both an Ammeter, and a voltmeter whose voltage sense leads are on the battery terminals themselves, respond to me spinning that voltage dial.

In general if I have it set for 13.6v, and give it a few minutes of driving, then ask for 14.7v, about 2/3 more amps flow into my battery. This is true whether the battery is at 50% or at 95%.

So I choose 14.7v until I know the batteries are full, then 13.6v.

Rather than beefing up the wiring, some will power an inverter off enginne battery, powering a 25+ amp charger hooked to trailers house batteries.

One can also run thicker copper from alternator and ground through a hefty connector to the trailer batteries, and bypass the 4 or 7 pin cable and get much more voltage at the trailer batts.

Hefty

But when the vehicle chooses 13.6v and says Good enough, the inverter powering a higher amp 'smart' charger will likely deliver more juice to depleted trailer batteries.

There are also DC to DC converters which can step up vehicle voltage, and can speed the charging of distant batteries.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-04-10T22:16:26.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-04-10T22:16:26.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":796},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:2934726/message:2934746","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1702","rawBody":"
mattherrington wrote:
I get it now.

I can be at 13.4V all day in the truck and it's not going to dent my 4 GC2 US Battery bank. Bulk and absorption charge for these batteries is spec'd at 14.7V to final 97% of capacity and then drops to 13.0 for the float. I'm really sending a trickle back there to batteries down 30-40% hence net zero on the road.


I can spin a potentiometer on my Dash and watch both an Ammeter, and a voltmeter whose voltage sense leads are on the battery terminals themselves, respond to me spinning that voltage dial.

In general if I have it set for 13.6v, and give it a few minutes of driving, then ask for 14.7v, about 2/3 more amps flow into my battery. This is true whether the battery is at 50% or at 95%.

So I choose 14.7v until I know the batteries are full, then 13.6v.

Rather than beefing up the wiring, some will power an inverter off enginne battery, powering a 25+ amp charger hooked to trailers house batteries.

One can also run thicker copper from alternator and ground through a hefty connector to the trailer batteries, and bypass the 4 or 7 pin cable and get much more voltage at the trailer batts.

Hefty

But when the vehicle chooses 13.6v and says Good enough, the inverter powering a higher amp 'smart' charger will likely deliver more juice to depleted trailer batteries.

There are also DC to DC converters which can step up vehicle voltage, and can speed the charging of distant batteries.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2934746_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:64980":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:64980","uid":64980,"login":"Rustofer","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2013-03-14T16:27:03.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-7.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:64980"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2934745":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2934745","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2934745":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:64980"},"id":"message:2934745","revisionNum":1,"uid":2934745,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2934726"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2934726"},"subject":"Re: Charging While Towing","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2934745"},"body":"Another thing that could be happening is that your alternator is pushing out current based on the needs of your starting battery, which gets replenished quickly. 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