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- FastEagleExplorer
ken white wrote:
Have you ever pressed on an E rated LT and ST sidewall?
I have and I stand by my assertion...
Most LT tires have added sidewall thickness to help prevent curb scuffing damage. Although increasing the sidewall durability sidewall strength remains the same with or without the added weight.
FastEagle - ken_whiteExplorer
Francesca Knowles wrote:
ken white wrote:
While that is true, the sidewalls on an LT tire are much heavier/stiffer than an equivalently rated ST tire as evidenced by the carcass weight.
Weight of the carcass has nothing to do with sidewall stiffness; but even if it did:
Since it takes a LR-E LT to obtain the carrying capacity of a LR-D ST, it should be no surprise that the LT would be "heavier". If that is in fact true of all ST/LT comparables as your assertion seems to imply.
Have you ever pressed on an E rated LT and ST sidewall?
I have and I stand by my assertion... - Francesca_KnowlExplorer
ken white wrote:
While that is true, the sidewalls on an LT tire are much heavier/stiffer than an equivalently rated ST tire as evidenced by the carcass weight.
Weight of the carcass has nothing to do with sidewall stiffness; but even if it did:
Since it takes a LR-E LT to obtain the carrying capacity of a LR-D ST, it should be no surprise that the LT would be "heavier". If that is in fact true of all ST/LT comparables as your assertion seems to imply. - ken_whiteExplorer
Francesca Knowles wrote:
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that few if any LT's have something other than two-ply polyester sidewalls, though some may have sidewall enhancements such as the turnups provided by Dunlop on its off-roader, The Mud Rover.
Which of course is unlikely to be a choice anyone would make for a trailer.
While that is true, the sidewalls on an LT tire are much heavier/stiffer than an equivalently rated ST tire as evidenced by the carcass weight. - Francesca_KnowlExplorer
ken white wrote:
IMHO, it is not if marginal ST tires will fail, it is when, and they fail rather quickly once they decide to go....
Oh and for all of those believers that the sidewalls of an ST tire are tougher than an LT tire, this is BS.
The sidewalls are 2-ply polyester and the carcass is very light compared to an equivalent LT tire...
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but it's my understanding that few if any LT's have something other than two-ply polyester sidewalls, though some may have sidewall enhancements such as the turnups provided by Dunlop on its off-roader, The Mud Rover.
Which of course is unlikely to be a choice anyone would make for a trailer. - ken_whiteExplorerIMHO, it is not if marginal ST tires will fail, it is when, and they fail rather quickly once they decide to go....
Oh and for all of those believers that the sidewalls of an ST tire are tougher than an LT tire, this is BS.
The sidewalls are 2-ply polyester and the carcass is very light compared to an equivalent LT tire... - myredracerExplorer IIA statistician would not put any value on tire failure reports between this year and the last based on posts on this forum. There's too many factors that could skew the results. As mentioned, it could be because some forum members are taking better care of their tires after reading reports here. Or it could be because after reading tire reports on the forum, they just accept what happens to them. I highly doubt it's because owners are upgrading to LT tires.
Besides, for every person that goes to an RV forum, there's thousand or tens of thousands of RV owners out there that never use forums so there's no accurate data for failures in the general RV population.
It seems to me that a lot more failures are due more to "operator error" and other factors as opposed to where they are made. I have found Roger Marble's (a former tire engineer)RVtiresafety.com blog to have excellent info. With ST tires, it appears to be very important to keep speed down below 65, to maintain correct pressure all around, to not overload tires and to regularly inspect the tires.
There's other factors that can lead to failure or premature wear such as alignment issues, loose wheel bearings, weak frames/suspensions and worn bushings.
I now follow all the precautionary measures including a TPMS. We now have over 1,000 miles on our Marathon LRD tires in the first year of our latest TT, so we must be doing something right, lol... - ken_whiteExplorerJust returned back from having DRV do some warranty work on my camper and I had an instantaneous blow-out on the way out.
This failure took out the aluminum panel, fender flare, mounting straps, and rubber seal...
Luckily, I was able to get off the highway quickly and my hydraulics and electrical were unscathed.
Got everything repaired at DRV, and it cost me extra time and quite a few $'s, but the trailer looked almost as good as new - still needs some buffing on the fiberglass wall and a decal installed.
On the way home, had another blow-out right at the toll booth, so no damage, and while repairing that, found a big bubble on another tire.
Only had one spare, so I had the drop the trailer on the side of the toll road to find a tire dealer on Saturday and get the bad tire replaced with a Carlisle.
Got back to the trailer and replaced the bubbled tire and used the bubbled tire as a spare - risky but I made it home.
The tires - Power King Tow-Max...
The worse tires ever IMHO.
I am going to get a set of Sailun S637 tires.
EDIT: Tires have the air pressure checked before every trip - 80 psi.
Rarely travel over 65 mph but it does happen sometimes.
Tires only have/had about 1500 miles on them. - Chris_BryantExplorer III bet I'm the only one here who has actually worn out a set of trailer tires- worn the tread down to near bald, with 90 K miles.
Michelin XCA 7.00-15 LT LR E.
Of course, that was only 2 1/2 years.
It's been a while ;) - HuntindogExplorer
brirene wrote:
Agree. But the people on this forum ARE informed of the issue. So a larger percentage of the posters on this forum than the general population have likely taken steps to address the problem.
I've noted this several times in posts over the last year or so, but then again I think the whole "chinabomb" thing was a bit overblown (no pun intended) in the first place. And I agree that quality has improved over the past4-5 years. The notion that more people are using LT tires is kind of silly, as I bet it's a very small percentage of the general rv population. As mentioned, a small percentage of rv users actually frequent forums like this, and so are ignorant of the issue. Guy I worked with replaced his tires a while back. I asked what he put on, and his response was he had no idea, but they were cheap. There's the vast majority. All imho, of course.
That would make for fewer posts about it.
As for the "new" ST tires with the cap.... Maybe they are better. Maybe not.
But these same companies cheerfully took my money selling a product that they KNEW was a problem.
They have burned their bridges with me. They get no more of my money.
I have found a solution that works.
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