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Chris Bryant wrote:
BarabooBob wrote:
I am in the middle of nowhere too often to rely on electric vehicles at this point. Maybe when there are multiple charging stations in every town that can charge my batteries in 10 minutes I will be interested. I don't think I will live that long.
The Nikola semi has a 1500 mile range, with fast refueling. While it is electric, it isn’t battery, rather it’s a hydrogen fuel cell.
A hybrid also could be described as electric. It isn't battery, rather it's a gasoline generator.
If the vehicle burns anything, it isn't an electric.tomman58 wrote:
Great ad for the car. Time is marching on this issue as there will be many, many more electrics on the market soon.
I beg to differ. This video is a great ad for an internal combustion engine.Bobbo wrote:
tomman58 wrote:
Great ad for the car. Time is marching on this issue as there will be many, many more electrics on the market soon.
I beg to differ. This video is a great ad for an internal combustion engine.
Nope. The video was made about travelling with an electric vehicle in an area with no infrastructure for electric vehicles. Those areas are getting harder to find. People with electric vehicles don’t tend to travel in areas without ichargibg infrastructure. Why would they?Reisender wrote:
So you get that people with EV’s generally don’t charge at campgrounds unless, you know, they are camping right? Lots of Tesla’s pulling RV’s, boats, utility trailers. . They make good tow vehicles. Most EV’s charge at home. On road trips they charge at fast chargers or superchargers.
So, you get that the video actually shows this dude renting an RV site with 50 amp service, more than once, then walking to a motel to rent a room? What people "generally" do is immaterial. What is material is what people are actually doing.
This being an RV site, people charging at home overnight to get a day's charge is immaterial. People trying to drive 400 to 500 miles towing a trailer, then get some sleep and do it again the next day is material. The Tesla did not have that capability.
When 50% of the semi's hauling America's goods are EV's, I will consider one.Reisender wrote:
Bobbo wrote:
tomman58 wrote:
Great ad for the car. Time is marching on this issue as there will be many, many more electrics on the market soon.
I beg to differ. This video is a great ad for an internal combustion engine.
Nope. The video was made about travelling with an electric vehicle in an area with no infrastructure for electric vehicles. Those areas are getting harder to find. People with electric vehicles don’t tend to travel in areas without ichargibg infrastructure. Why would they?
We will have to agree to disagree. If I were interested in switching to an EV, that video would scare me off. My ICE can take me ANYWHERE I want to go without worrying about replenishing the car's power. Not so with an EV.
In answer to your question about why would people travel to areas without infrastructure, because that is where they want to travel?Bobbo wrote:
Reisender wrote:
Bobbo wrote:
tomman58 wrote:
Great ad for the car. Time is marching on this issue as there will be many, many more electrics on the market soon.
I beg to differ. This video is a great ad for an internal combustion engine.
Nope. The video was made about travelling with an electric vehicle in an area with no infrastructure for electric vehicles. Those areas are getting harder to find. People with electric vehicles don’t tend to travel in areas without ichargibg infrastructure. Why would they?
We will have to agree to disagree. If I were interested in switching to an EV, that video would scare me off. My ICE can take me ANYWHERE I want to go without worrying about replenishing the car's power. Not so with an EV.
In answer to your question about why would people travel to areas without infrastructure, because that is where they want to travel?
Again. People don’t generally do what was done in the video.
People generally assess their needs when buying a vehicle. Patterns, locations etc. The average person travelling to remote locations without infrastructure would be informed enough not to buy an EV. Right tool for the right job.
Cheers.- When reading these pages one gets what it must've been like when people went from horses to cars. Most arguments against technology are based on ignorance or fear.
I still contend that in the next few years we will see significantly different cars and trucks as well as attitudes. tomman58 wrote:
Simply because people disagree with your viewpoint makes them neither ignorant nor fearful. They know their situation and needs, and you do not. In that particular instance you are the ignorant one.
When reading these pages one gets what it must've been like when people went from horses to cars. Most arguments against technology are based on ignorance or fear.
I still contend that in the next few years we will see significantly different cars and trucks as well as attitudes.
Everyone pretty much agrees there will be more EV's on the road, the main bone of contention is the time frame involved.- I'll buy an EV when the range is improved (we live in the country). I hate the pollution I'm producing with my gas car and diesel truck (soon to disappear). Where I live, the electricity to charge the EV does NOT come from burning fossil fuels.
Sorry, didn't watch the video. - The ENTIRE area of this video is powered by a coal fired mega plant outside of VALMY NEVADA. Several Gigawatts.
No nuclear
No falling water
No solar
No natural gas
And no grand intertie except to sell not buy power which would rob LA of a small but significant amount of kWh.
News Excerpt
The forecast found Lake Mead water levels will end this month at 1,079 feet – a mere four feet away from the 1,075-feet threshold that would trigger a federal shortage declaration and mandatory cuts. The report predicted Lake Mead will dip just below the threshold to 1,075 feet.
There goes a full 30% of the power for the ENTIRE 50% California in the south. And guess what? The Pacific Intertie can not increase and make up the difference. A proposed rate hike and cancellation of electrical rate exclusions in California for electric cars is already on the agenda in the California State PUC.
Delusion
Einstein said it best. Insanity can be described as insisting something be tried and retried, while expecting different results.
Some folks are in for a rude shock when reality hits the fan. Hundred dollar a month electrical bills soaring to seven hundred dollars and the cost per mile of fuel six hundred percent of what it is today.
Hundreds of thousands of acres of solar panels in places like the Mojave desert while the Chinese jump for joy and increase military spending ten thousand percent.
While the Russians tow gigantic nuclear plants to the arctic and Brazil runs ape**** with the worst pollution electrical generation while clearcutting the Amazon rain forest.
All I can say is down here we are on the outside of the fence watching the NIMBY's on the other side chant and newspapers headline events on San Francisco's HIPPIE HILL. Good night Chet -- Good night David.
