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- The key to meaningful CO2 reduction is to get the top 30 emitters on board. The entire continent of Europe and Scandinavia totals about 12% of CO2 emissions. It's not the number of countries who sign-on it's the high emitters. one's that refused to join in the climate conference agreement.
The USA is a major polluter but pales in comparison to Russia, China, Brazil, etc.
Assuming the high ground plus five dollars will get you a cup of coffee at any Starbucks.
Those images you see of cities in China choked with smog are not just a few cities -- try two dozen with population averages of around seven million each. China's insistence on burning coal to make solar panels is ludicrous.
The democracies must threaten Brazil and all of equatorial Africa with stiff sanctions unless they stop slash and burn and instead plant millions upon millions of acres. One tropical deciduous plant can equal the O2 production of 2 dozen pine trees. - wildtoad,
Given my current driving patterns, where I am walking as much as possible (health reasons), all my charging could be done on a 15 amp, 120 volt power source. I do live in a tiny city of 230,000 souls.
Being that it gets to -40, almost all homes, and most apartment buildings do have 15 amp outlets intended for outdoor use.
Based on 10 hours of charging, I'd have a daily range of about 30 kilometers. The bev I desire has a range of 415 kilometers. - Around here there are several new fuel stations being built with many many islands for vehicles to use. However they are all petroleum products based. I have yet to see any significant outlay of capital or real estate to support electric vehicles. It could be that there is insufficient data to predict the need. Not so much because EV’s aren’t going to sell but the majority of them will be able to be charged at home and never need a public place to charge.
"Hey Vern!"
"Combine all of Europe and combine it with the United States. How much Co2 is that compared to the rest of the world?"
How much? Oh man you've got to be kidding
That's like ******* on a forest fire. Speaking of which the giant California forest fire emitted something like 12% of all CO2 in 2018
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Reisender wrote:
time2roll wrote:
pianotuna wrote:
This is actually very difficult to accept.
Hi Phil,
It was a cradle to the grave comparison. The Bev won, hands down.
Then you keep reducing coal and the bottom falls out. Coal electricity is now just 27.4% in the US and falling every day.
2014 39.0%
2015 33.0%
2016 30.4%
2017 30.0%
2018 27.4%
For the US I think it is already quite a bit lower.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-stat-shows-coal-fired-161300444.html
I think Canada is already under 11 percent.time2roll wrote:
pianotuna wrote:
This is actually very difficult to accept.
Hi Phil,
It was a cradle to the grave comparison. The Bev won, hands down.
Then you keep reducing coal and the bottom falls out. Coal electricity is now just 27.4% in the US and falling every day.
2014 39.0%
2015 33.0%
2016 30.4%
2017 30.0%
2018 27.4%
For the US I think it is already quite a bit lower.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-stat-shows-coal-fired-161300444.htmlpianotuna wrote:
This is actually very difficult to accept.
Hi Phil,
It was a cradle to the grave comparison. The Bev won, hands down.
Then you keep reducing coal and the bottom falls out. Coal electricity is now just 27.4% in the US and falling every day.
2014 39.0%
2015 33.0%
2016 30.4%
2017 30.0%
2018 27.4%- Hi Phil,
It was a cradle to the grave comparison. The Bev won, hands down.pnichols wrote:
pianotuna wrote:
Hi Mex,
Not quite what you asked--but still worth thinking about:
"On average, a conventional car creates more the twice as much carbon pollution as an electric car. Even in the state that gets almost all of its electricity from burning coal, an EV still pollutes less than a typical conventional car. Assuming a 10 year useful life, an average conventional car will spew out 66,000 pounds more carbon pollution than an average electric vehicle. That’s 33 tons, folks."
This is included the co2 from manufacturing the vehicle.
In making comparisons like this, IMHO it's best to compare the two all the way: Be sure to consider the carbon footprint to dispose of each type of vehicle and all of it's component parts.
The rosy picture may change then ... not sure, though. ;) pnichols wrote:
pianotuna wrote:
Hi Mex,
Not quite what you asked--but still worth thinking about:
"On average, a conventional car creates more the twice as much carbon pollution as an electric car. Even in the state that gets almost all of its electricity from burning coal, an EV still pollutes less than a typical conventional car. Assuming a 10 year useful life, an average conventional car will spew out 66,000 pounds more carbon pollution than an average electric vehicle. That’s 33 tons, folks."
This is included the co2 from manufacturing the vehicle.
In making comparisons like this, IMHO it's best to compare the two all the way: Be sure to consider the carbon footprint to dispose of each type of vehicle and all of it's component parts.
The rosy picture may change then ... not sure, though. ;)
It’s a good point and probably a little early to tell. The car itself would be recycled the same way as an ice. Chassis, frame, tires, 12 volt battery etc. But the traction battery and motors would be dealt with differently. The electric motors would be harvested for their copper and permanent magnets as they are now. For the traction batteries we’ll probably have to wait 2 or 3 decades. Right now they are repurposed to various storage roles when they leave their car life. But eventually it looks like the aluminum, nickel, lithium etc will be separated and processed. There are a few companies getting into this now. It will be interesting to see that technology develop.- Don't forget the by product of solar/wind closing the coal plants not only improves EV transportation but also a primary issue of home electricity use.
Additionally EV owners have a strong correlation of installing home solar.
