I have been trying to locate a laboratory grade emissions study report listing ANY AND ALL EMISSIONS as given off by the use of 100% gasoline versus various blending percentages of ethanol into gasoline. My searches have been fruitless. All I wish to know is the TYPE of emissions of combustion in quantities of 5 ppm or greater.Various government reports steer an investigator down blind alleys, diversions, vague untraceable reference links, and unfortunately, bald hyperbole.I am merely a forensic engineer. I need raw data to assimilate the total perspective of an issue. Not bits of a whole that add up to less than the sum if its parts.Combustion of alcohol creates unique emissions. In combination with various hydrocarbons and esters, poly-ureas and sulfurs, the potential to end up with nightmarish frankenemissions is formidable.Can any forum participant point me in the correct direction in which a comprehensive ANALYSIS may be read and studied to determine the effects of hydrocarbon ethanol combustion? Not merely the rote CO, CO2, NOX, litany, but analysis of total combustions emissions?You can make your own conclusions as to what I am "Driving At"Exempt, the point of crude oil conservation. This year the USA begins the export of USA light sweet fracturing crude to China.

I'm with you Mex! I don't have any answers, but I'm tired of having this ethanol******shoved down our fuel tanks. If you just look at the easily observed results, miles per gallon, it doesn't work out to be have any benefit. Your thoughts of other emissions, and the lack of available data, just gets me going again.

From all of the research I've done, I can expect fuel efficiency (MPG) for my Flex-Fuel Impala to decrease by at least the percentage of alcohol above the about 10% I can find around here now. To me, that means I'll still be burning the same amount of gasoline and produce the same amount of emissions from it. But additionally, I'll be producing more emissions from burning the additional alcohol, not to mention taking the corn from someone's or some farm animal's consumption.

The O.P. probably won't get much independent data here, but some straight talk about first hand results from those forced to burn corn oil in their gas tanks.We can still buy 100%gasoline in the mid-south for the time being. I pay a .25 to .40 per gallon premium to buy unleaded fuel without ethanol. Its in great demand because ethanol tainted fuel has proven to be inefficient, destructive to rubber and plastic fuel system components and now you can buy fuel additives exclusively designed to extract moisture srom ethanol laced fuel.Until we elect officials with the stones to reverse the ludicrous EPA mandates such as ethanol usage and elimination of coal as a primary source for power we get what we deserve.

The powerful farm lobby will be hard to overcome with the money they distribute to those congress members who are dependant on their money.

So ethanol benefits the farmers that grow corn not the environment. And to top it off it actually takes more energy to create ethanol than is even in it. Overall throughout the creation and consumption process it actually releases more emissions into the environment than if just gasoline were created and used. I think the corn is best used to feed people not cars. If I were to tell some starving person in a 3rd world country we were feeding corn to our cars instead of hungry people they'd probably consider us idiots. (well more than they might already)Don't get me wrong our fossil fuels are not an unlimited supply and corn at least theoretically can be just grown and grown to a basically endless supply. Just don't lie to me and say it's good for the environment. Renewable Yes, Eco-Friendly NO.Day Light Savings is the same way in that we think it is for something, but really it is for something else entirely. It wasn't invented for the farmers or to save on heating bills. It was invented to help retailers by having you out shopping and buying more often.

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sh410
Explorer
Mar 11, 2014
I wonder what how much crude is used in the production of fertilizer to grow that corn.
BlindGuynAR
Explorer
Mar 11, 2014
So ethanol benefits the farmers that grow corn not the environment. And to top it off it actually takes more energy to create ethanol than is even in it. Overall throughout the creation and consumption process it actually releases more emissions into the environment than if just gasoline were created and used.

I think the corn is best used to feed people not cars. If I were to tell some starving person in a 3rd world country we were feeding corn to our cars instead of hungry people they'd probably consider us idiots. (well more than they might already)

Don't get me wrong our fossil fuels are not an unlimited supply and corn at least theoretically can be just grown and grown to a basically endless supply. Just don't lie to me and say it's good for the environment. Renewable Yes, Eco-Friendly NO.

Day Light Savings is the same way in that we think it is for something, but really it is for something else entirely. It wasn't invented for the farmers or to save on heating bills. It was invented to help retailers by having you out shopping and buying more often.
sh410
Explorer
Mar 11, 2014
The powerful farm lobby will be hard to overcome with the money they distribute to those congress members who are dependant on their money.
Boxer_Lovers
Explorer
Mar 11, 2014
The O.P. probably won't get much independent data here, but some straight talk about first hand results from those forced to burn corn oil in their gas tanks.

We can still buy 100%gasoline in the mid-south for the time being. I pay a .25 to .40 per gallon premium to buy unleaded fuel without ethanol. Its in great demand because ethanol tainted fuel has proven to be inefficient, destructive to rubber and plastic fuel system components and now you can buy fuel additives exclusively designed to extract moisture srom ethanol laced fuel.

Until we elect officials with the stones to reverse the ludicrous EPA mandates such as ethanol usage and elimination of coal as a primary source for power we get what we deserve.
DavisK
Explorer
Mar 11, 2014
From all of the research I've done, I can expect fuel efficiency (MPG) for my Flex-Fuel Impala to decrease by at least the percentage of alcohol above the about 10% I can find around here now. To me, that means I'll still be burning the same amount of gasoline and produce the same amount of emissions from it. But additionally, I'll be producing more emissions from burning the additional alcohol, not to mention taking the corn from someone's or some farm animal's consumption.
Yaj
Explorer
Mar 11, 2014
I'm with you Mex! I don't have any answers, but I'm tired of having this ethanol******shoved down our fuel tanks. If you just look at the easily observed results, miles per gallon, it doesn't work out to be have any benefit. Your thoughts of other emissions, and the lack of available data, just gets me going again.

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