sneakygroundbuzzard wrote:
i spent 17 years as a ford tech(two master certs from ford)
i never did all that to change plugs on one of those vans(and i beat flat rate all the time when i was a tech),but if it works for you,it works for you...
I did mention that my point comes from dealing with F250 PICKUP TRUCKS which if you were really a "Ford Tech" you SHOULD have fully understood the differences.
Although after dealing with my local Ford dealer tech clowns that darn near cost me thousands of dollars in additional repairs after they failed to TORQUE the plugs on my 2006 F250 and they started to come loose I could somehow believe that you may have played a Ford tech at my dealer..
I am not impressed when someone states that they are or were a "Ford Tech" now days, what a bunch of clowns I delt with and I feel lucky that the whole experience cost only $2K and took FOUR MONTHS and 8 trips to the dealer instead of $4K+ and who knows how many months of down time..
Those clowns misdiagnosed the initial problem, which turned out to be a gunked up throttle body.. They threw parts at it, fuel filter, fuel pump, plugs, cat converter.. The loose plugs poisoned one of cats and a year later the front oxy sensors started throwing codes.. Just recently had to change the downstream oxy sensors.. All on a vehicle with only 80K miles.
I fixed the problems eventually by myself with a Harbor Freight code reader and lots of Internet searches with the symptoms..
With the F250/350 PICKUPS the back two cylinders on each side are completely buried under the cowl on the 5.4 and the last three cylinders on each side of the 6.8. Cannot get much more than you hand in there even with all the intake air duct work removed.
Vans are a bit different in the fact that you do have COMPLETE EASY ACCESS to the REAR cylinders of the engine and only have some obstruction of the front one or perhaps two cylinders on each side.