HHO Systems?

Tom_M wrote:

wa8yxm wrote:
The risk here is adding water to hot metal of your engine,, This promotes corrosion (Rust) and can lead to early engine failure. THat is a major risk, with major cost involved.

HHO and water injection are two different technologies. HHO involves injecting hydrogen and oxygen gas into the intake. The gasses will not combine into liquid water.

Water injection has been used in the past in military aircraft. When maximum power was required such as during takeoff, water was sprayed into the intake to prevent engine knock.

Besides the heat, the byproduct of combining the Hydrogen and oxygen is water, which will be in the form of steam. Unfortunately, the energy released will be less than the energy required to convert the water to hydrogen and oxygen in the first place. Unfortunately, those basic laws of thermodynamics you learned in high school rear their ugly head and keep this from being a free energy source.

Backyard mechanics often used water injection as well. My high school car was a 66 impala that I put a supercharger on, and water injection as well trying to be able to run a little more boost without breaking things.

Besides piston engines, the military also injected water into turbine engines such as the early KC-135. The steam would help in generating more thrust for takeoff with heavy fuel loads. The system was a pain to maintain, with the crew chiefs having to periodically run tank heaters through the cold nights on the alert aircraft so that the water in the water tanks wouldn't freeze.

wa8yxm wrote:
The risk here is adding water to hot metal of your engine,, This promotes corrosion (Rust) and can lead to early engine failure. THat is a major risk, with major cost involved.

HHO and water injection are two different technologies. HHO involves injecting hydrogen and oxygen gas into the intake. The gasses will not combine into liquid water.

Water injection has been used in the past in military aircraft. When maximum power was required such as during takeoff, water was sprayed into the intake to prevent engine knock.

If you simply MUST invest in something to help fuel mileage, try dosing the fuel tank with Chevron fuel injector cleaner with TECHRON. This is just about the only mouse-milk that does anything and that something is limited to some not all engines.

I looked at natural gas powered city busses in San Diego. They have enormous tanks on the roof. They would have to be around eight times larger if solely hydrogen was the fuel. The entire theory falls apart from beginning to end upon examination.

JandKSunshine wrote:

It makes sense to me, but I'm certainly no expert. lol

The claims are cleverly designed to "make sense" to people who are not experts.

It is yet another snake oil scam.

You do know that HHO is just another way of denoting H2O.....which is water.....right ??

Thousands of hours have been spent testing water injection systems and the conclusion has always been the same: Whatever slight gain might be obtainable is NOT worth all the hassle and cost of installing and maintaining the system.

2oldman wrote:
If this actually worked car makers would be doing it.

I have heard those rumors too. but there is what I call a "Flip Side"

Every action you can take has three element you must consider
Cost, Risk, Benefits. and in some cases a 4th CLUES
In this case the "CLUE" is that they call it HHO, not H2O and not Water, which is what it is.. Water.. They had to come up with a fancy name for it and this is a warning sign of SCAM.

The risk here is adding water to hot metal of your engine,, This promotes corrosion (Rust) and can lead to early engine failure. THat is a major risk, with major cost involved.

Many of the "Fleets" using these systems (Are they really, I mean did you check) The vehicles are of such a nature that engine failure is likely in a short time anyway.. So they don't blame the Water Injectors..

THus I have to support. Given government regulations requiring improved MPG.. If these low up front cost systems actually worked, They woudl be factory installed.

Just put bigger tires on the back, smaller ones on the front...Then, you are constantly going downhill! This is guaranteed to increase gas mileage, and, if you run out of fuel, just shut off the engine and coast downhill to your destination!

Just kidding...I can see the theory of the system, but as stated above, it doesn't put out enough of the gasses needed to make it run better.

Fantastic snake oil promotion you got there, big guy. I bet you'd be great selling refrigerators to Eskimos. What's really amazing is that there are people who actually buy this stuff.

Hey, I've got a perpetual motion machine I'll sell you! You seem gullib^h^h^h^h^h^h smart enough to understand the benefits.

Searching_Ut wrote:
With the proper marketing, and the proper amount of conspiracy hype as to why this technology is being suppressed and I could make a fortune.

:) Yeah. I don't think Kevin Trudeau tried this one. "Gas mileage secrets THEY don't want you to know about."

GordonThree wrote:

2oldman wrote:
If this actually worked car makers would be doing it.

x2

it may work for some small niche applications but also carries risk, and probably needs constant fiddling.

pretty sure mythbusters tried HHO injection among other various gases, and didn't measure any improvement

easiest way to improve mpg's is with the right foot, it is proven that lower speeds = greater mileage.

Mythbusters tried to run a car solely off a HHO generator using plans bought off the Internet (you know it MUST be good AND WORKS if published on the Internet :S )..

It DIDN'T WORK (go figure :h )!

The HHO generator could simply not make enough fast enough to even get the engine to cough.

The conclusion is that the myth was BUSTED.

They DID try a Hydrogen cylinder and used a hose to feed the carb.. That did get some "action" in a HUGE BACKFIRE :E

Pretty stupid to play with very volatile gasses and for what, risk your life?

HHO conversions use a lot of energy, there is no "improvement" in gas mileage to be had.

If gas mileage is your issue, then you might consider getting out of the RV scene.. It is what it is, you are towing in effect a huge cement block and they are not light nor aerodynamic..

Best thing to do is SLOW DOWN, second is take as little as possible (IE lighten the load), third is FORGET about saving money and go camping..