Hello! I've heard some people who work in sustainable technology fields say that there are some good HHO Systems (Hydrogen Injection) that will bump up your MPG's. Has anyone here had any experience with those? If so, what did you use and what were your results?Thanks!Johnny

If this actually worked car makers would be doing it.

2oldman wrote:If this actually worked car makers would be doing it.x2 it may work for some small niche applications but also carries risk, and probably needs constant fiddling.pretty sure mythbusters tried HHO injection among other various gases, and didn't measure any improvementeasiest way to improve mpg's is with the right foot, it is proven that lower speeds = greater mileage.

Well, from what I was told (which, of course, I can't validate), car makers don't do it because it takes more power from the alternator to run it than what it puts in, making it ineffective. However, if we hook our solar energy up to it, then it's not pulling from the alternator, and gives it that extra boost in fuel economy. It makes sense to me, but I'm certainly no expert. lol

Maybe. I'm sure the calculations of doing this are quite involved. MPG boosting gimmicks have been around forever.

The added weight of a solar setup (and associated storage) will offset any gains in mileage.

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time2roll
Nomad
Jul 23, 2017
2oldman wrote:
If this actually worked car makers would be doing it.
Toyota makes the Mirai that runs on hydrogen.
Very inefficient. Fuel is so expensive Toyota foots the bill as part of the lease.
drsteve
Explorer
Jul 22, 2017
Chum lee wrote:
drsteve wrote:
Chum lee wrote:
JandKSunshine wrote:

This HHO system has no similarity to hydrogen fuel cell powered vehicles. Not even close. Which is why it doesn't work, unlike fuel cell powered vehicles, which do indeed work quite well.

To say the HHO system is NOT something adds no value to the discussion without clearly stating what it IS. Someone in this thread is assuming that we all know what "HHO" is, or, is HHO just another linguistic placeholder trying to generate discussion? I'm thinking this thread is about to be locked/deleted.

Chum lee

Well, if you read the previous comments, you'll notice that the commenters seem to know what HHO is, and if you check out the link I posted above, you'll know what's involved and why it doesn't work as advertised. It is not in any way a hydrogen powered vehicle.

I'm genuinely curious why you think this discussion should or would be closed?
Searching_Ut
Explorer
Jul 22, 2017
The idea behind HHO is to use the alternator of a vehicle to provide electricity to break the bonds of water molecules to make hydrogen and oxygen, which according to the claims, will add free additional energy to add power, give higher fuel mileage etc. Over the years, the theory changes as to why and how this is supposed to work. Unfortunately, the physics is that the energy released during combining oxygen and hydrogen to make water is the same amount of energy that is required to break water into it's basic elements in a 100 percent efficient process. We can't come close to 100 percent efficiency in using electrical energy to break down water, and current combustion engine and generator systems are very wasteful as well so this is far from even being a break even process.

As for the sidelines of water in the engines, etc., they're just part of the fun of internet forums.
Chum_lee
Explorer
Jul 22, 2017
drsteve wrote:
Chum lee wrote:
JandKSunshine wrote:

This HHO system has no similarity to hydrogen fuel cell powered vehicles. Not even close. Which is why it doesn't work, unlike fuel cell powered vehicles, which do indeed work quite well.

To say the HHO system is NOT something adds no value to the discussion without clearly stating what it IS. Someone in this thread is assuming that we all know what "HHO" is, or, is HHO just another linguistic placeholder trying to generate discussion? I'm thinking this thread is about to be locked/deleted.

Chum lee
drsteve
Explorer
Jul 22, 2017
Chum lee wrote:
JandKSunshine wrote:
Hello! I've heard some people who work in sustainable technology fields say that there are some good HHO Systems (Hydrogen Injection) that will bump up your MPG's. Has anyone here had any experience with those? If so, what did you use and what were your results?

Thanks!

Johnny

Well Johnny:

Yes, several major auto manufacturers currently produce experimental hydrogen powered vehicles. Some also produce hybrid hydrogen powered vehicles. The research and engineering is well founded, well documented, and readily available on the internet should you simply decide to look for it. It's not as simple as tacking on some spray nozzle connected to a bottle of H2 or a fuel cell as some would like you to believe. Also, you are not likely to find information about it here at this site.

www.google.com do your own homework

Chum lee

This HHO system has no similarity to hydrogen fuel cell powered vehicles. Not even close. Which is why it doesn't work, unlike fuel cell powered vehicles, which do indeed work quite well.
Chum_lee
Explorer
Jul 22, 2017
JandKSunshine wrote:
Hello! I've heard some people who work in sustainable technology fields say that there are some good HHO Systems (Hydrogen Injection) that will bump up your MPG's. Has anyone here had any experience with those? If so, what did you use and what were your results?

Thanks!

Johnny

Well Johnny:

Yes, several major auto manufacturers currently produce experimental hydrogen powered vehicles. Some also produce hybrid hydrogen powered vehicles. The research and engineering is well founded, well documented, and readily available on the internet should you simply decide to look for it. It's not as simple as tacking on some spray nozzle connected to a bottle of H2 or a fuel cell as some would like you to believe. Also, you are not likely to find information about it here at this site.

www.google.com do your own homework

Chum lee
ktmrfs
Explorer III
Jul 22, 2017
Tom_M wrote:
Searching_Ut wrote:
Besides the heat, the byproduct of combining the Hydrogen and oxygen is water
The water is produced after combustion. Water vapor is produced during the burning of any fuel.

well, water is produced when burning any hydrocarbon fuel. e.g. fuels containing hydrogen. These fuels also usually have carbon as well, pure hydrogen an exception. The byproducts of combustion are water and C02, water from the hydrogen combining with oxygen, CO2 from the carbon combining with oxygen.

This covers many fuels, but an exception is buring wood, coal, fiber etc. which is carbon based. byproduct of combustion is CO2. the only water vapor comes from water already i the fuel and any minor amount of hydrogen that may be in the fuel.
drsteve
Explorer
Jul 22, 2017
Yeah, no, this doesn't work at all. Thorough debunking at the link.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/a3983/4310717/
Tom_M1
Explorer
Jul 22, 2017
Searching_Ut wrote:
Besides the heat, the byproduct of combining the Hydrogen and oxygen is water
The water is produced after combustion. Water vapor is produced during the burning of any fuel.
ktmrfs
Explorer III
Jul 22, 2017
MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
If you simply MUST invest in something to help fuel mileage, try dosing the fuel tank with Chevron fuel injector cleaner with TECHRON. This is just about the only mouse-milk that does anything and that something is limited to some not all engines.

I looked at natural gas powered city busses in San Diego. They have enormous tanks on the roof. They would have to be around eight times larger if solely hydrogen was the fuel. The entire theory falls apart from beginning to end upon examination.

mouse-milk. Hey, I haven't heard anyone use that term in a LONG time. I guess it dates us. although it is one of my favorites for all the engine additives. and it is a good description for many of these products.

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