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yattmaster
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Nov 02, 2016

Home audio/entertainment system off deep cycles?

First time posting on this forum so bear with me. Some friends and I had a brilliant teenage idea to buy a school bus and make it an RV/party bus. It's a 2004 SF-65 Freightliner, 28ft, CAT 3126 engine(inline 6).
One of my goals and key features of the rig is going to be a full audio system. Including a: home audio receiver(unknown wattage), 4-5 speakers(~10-100W per speaker), LED TV(~80W), Xbox 360(~270W).
Pretty sure I have a pretty solid plan I just want to confirm or get suggestions before blowing $300+ on electronics. Everything I'm doing is trying to be as cost effective as possible.
My plan so far: 2 deep cycle batteries(what are good ones for under $100, golf cart type preferred) that charge from the alternator with a 10AWG wire running from the starter batteries to the deep cycles with a cut off switch for when starting the engine or when it's turned off so I don't drain the starter batteries. Using a cut off instead of automatic isolator to save money.
Then from the deep cycle batteries I will run various 12v systems like lights and phone chargers and things. Also from the deep cycles I will have an inverter(which brand, wattage, pure sine wave or not?) which will power the receiver which will lead to everything else, and then maybe one or two other things occaisonally. Most power will be for that though. We don't need any other appliances RVs have.
Since this is going for the cheap I will only be using one component at a time on the inverter so I can get a smaller one, there are so many on the market for all sorts of prices and I have no experience, I just want one I can use occasionally that won't blow up on me for under $100 if possible. And if I was just using the deep cycles without the engine running how long would this last with moderately priced batteries?
I calculated I will need around 500W to run everything on the receiver the TV, Xbox and speakers(never at max volume if using the TV). But I think it would be best to go at least 7-800W just to be safe, also wondering if i need a pure sine wave or a normal inverter because of the audio receiver and it's potentially sensitive nature.
Another question I have is if my alternator will keep up with all this. From my research I've found that most bus alternators run about 150 amps minimum, that translates to 1800W at 12v which should be more than enough but I don't know how much the bus uses while running.
My main concerns are that I can get something reliable that won't burn up my receiver, and that we won't be 50 miles from the nearest town and find the starter batteries are dead in the morning. What do you think?? Sorry for my terrible writing and maybe dumb questions.
  • Keep your expectations for quality very low. A decent subwoofer runs 600W with 2Kw peaks, and that's just the sub. A good 7-channel amp is 100W/channel continuous to be able to reproduce clear notes. If you don't expect much, you'll be pleased with the outcome.
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    Somewhere in there are midrange horns for like four dollars. They sound great and they do not need any type of crossover network.

    Choose the highest wattage LEPAI receiver amplifier they offer. It has all the connection points.

    For Bass, I would go with a ten inch powered under-seat woofer. But understand, woofers needs LOTS OF AMPS or they sound piffy like laptop speakers. Plan-on one group 31 AGM battery within a 5 foot distance and six AWG charging leads. I is not hard to set up a dedicated charging system.

    With such a system as I have described, the sound level would be of immense potential. Spot-weld cracking bass and mid-range guitar and keyboard volume realism that could slam both eardrums together in the middle.

    The surprise comes when his system is compared to incredibly complicated and expensive auto sound systems and blasts the competition clear out of the auditorium. Like with many electronics, the idiots that think they know what they're doing reproducing music on speakers haven't a clue. I spent years developing incredibly high amperage Nippondenso, Hitachi, and Mistubishi alternators, for "Northwest Regulator" and the thousands of dollars those kids wasted on car stereos produced sound quality worthy of a 1957 Wurlitzer jukebox. It was pathetic.

    I modified many home speaker systems with those Parts Express Magnavox Astro Sonic horns. My favorite was coupling the horns to Acoustic Research AR 4, speakers. Klipshorn Folded Corner Horn speakers were good, as were Altec Lansing Voice of The Theater speakers. But all are gigantic enclosures. What I wrote above is quite small.
  • I think you're basically on the right track. It sounds like it could be a very fun project, though undoubtedly a good bit of work.

    The entertainment systems are generally not going to be consuming their maximum rated power; this is particularly true for the receiver's audio amplifier, assuming it's not a very high end class A amplifier.

    I would suggest a pure sine wave inverter for this use, not so much out of concern for the safety of the equipment as for the liklihood of picking up spurrious noise from many MSW inverters that put out a lot of electrical noise. A 1000W unit would be plenty; a 500W or 600W one would probably be sufficient; however, in my opinion the difference in price is small enough that the larger size seems more sensible.

    Guessing at a system average power usage of about 200W, a pair of golf cart batteries would last about five hours before getting down to 50 percent charge. Lead acid batteries don't take well to being deeply discharged, and especially to being left in a discharged state; I wouldn't suggest going too much below 50 percent. Lighting, if any, and any fridges etc. would of course add to the power consumption.

    For connecting to the vehicle electrical system, you do need an isolator of some sort, which you've basically described. Having a continuous duty contactor (or heavy-duty relay, which is basically the same thing under a different name) to connect the battery banks together when the engine running is pretty straightforward and can be done reliably. Often this is controlled by a switched circuit on the vehicle side, so it's engaged when the key is in the run position. Occasionally there are somewhat more sophisticated schemes, maybe with voltage sensing or time delays or such.

    You would be very well served to have heavier wiring between the batteries than a 10 gauge wire. My class C motorhome has, as best as I can make out, 2 gauge wiring, fused at 175A at either end. Charge currents for golf cart batteries can easily be over 50A, and having a thin wire (with its resistance and voltage drop) will unnecessarily slow down charging from the vehicle electrical system.

    It would not be a bad idea to also have some sort of an AC powered charger ("converter" in RV parlance). Depending on your usage, it could be a fairly small smart charger, mainly to maintain the battery's state of charge, or it could be a somewhat more powerful one that can recharge it in a reasonably short length of time. Progressive Dynamics makes some excellent ones for the latter use.

    I do hope you've researched registration and driver's licensing laws for your proposed uses. In general this would not be able to be registered as an RV, and you'd probably need to have a class B CDL, quite possibly with a passenger endorsement (if it seats more than 15 including the driver), to legally drive it. An RV for personal use does not have these requirements, but does have certain minimal equipment requirements that may vary a little from state to state but typically include having at least some subset of permanently installed sanitation systems (a toilet), cooking systems, a permanent electrical system, sleeping bunks, etc.

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