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Jan 06, 2014

Kwikee step logic

Having just purchased a new Kwikee Sires 28 step for our class C, I dug it out of the box and read the directions. Gee, easy! Right.

Wire colors:
Red - power
Green - ground
Brown - to magnetic door switch, then to ground
White - to switch, then to power
Yellow - to ignition

I tied red, green to my battery, positive and negative.
Step opened,

I expected I could touch yellow or (edit) white to power and have it close. Nope.

So... I thought it was broken, out of the box. I then set up all wires with switches to power/ground per the directions.

Here's the setup:

Power - Red
Ground - Green
Brown - switch - ground
Yellow - switch - power
White - switch - power

Here's how it works:
Connect Red to power, Green to ground, with all switches off - Steps Open. (Door open, Ign off, Override off)
Close the door - Brown grounds - steps close.
Open the door - Brown opens - steps open.
Close the door - Brown grounds - steps close.

Flip override switch on - White to power, Step stay closed. (yep, closed)
Open the door - Brown grounds - steps open.
Close the door - Brown opens - step stay open because White is tied to power.
Open/Close door, step stays extended because override is on, White is tied to power.

Door closed - Brown grounded, Override on, White to power, steps extended.
Turn Ign on - Yellow to Power - Steps close.
Turn Ign off - Yellow open, Steps remain closed.
Open door, steps open.
Close door, steps stay open because override is on.

The basic logic - No matter the other switches, anytime the door is opened, the steps open, if not already open.
If the door is closed, steps stay open if override on, if ign turned on, steps close.

Interesting logic, but it all works. I can see how it's supposed to work now...

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Gee, easy! Right.

Wire colors:
Red - power
Green - ground
Brown - to magnetic door switch, then to ground
White - to switch, then to power
Yellow - to ignition

I tied red, green to my battery, positive and negative.
Step opened,

I expected I could touch yellow or (edit) white to power and have it close. Nope.

So... I thought it was broken, out of the box. I then set up all wires with switches to power/ground per the directions.

Here's the setup:

Power - Red
Ground - Green
Brown - switch - ground
Yellow - switch - power
White - switch - power

Here's how it works:
Connect Red to power, Green to ground, with all switches off - Steps Open. (Door open, Ign off, Override off)
Close the door - Brown grounds - steps close.
Open the door - Brown opens - steps open.
Close the door - Brown grounds - steps close.

Flip override switch on - White to power, Step stay closed. (yep, closed)
Open the door - Brown grounds - steps open.
Close the door - Brown opens - step stay open because White is tied to power.
Open/Close door, step stays extended because override is on, White is tied to power.

Door closed - Brown grounded, Override on, White to power, steps extended.
Turn Ign on - Yellow to Power - Steps close.
Turn Ign off - Yellow open, Steps remain closed.
Open door, steps open.
Close door, steps stay open because override is on.

The basic logic - No matter the other switches, anytime the door is opened, the steps open, if not already open.
If the door is closed, steps stay open if override on, if ign turned on, steps close.

Interesting logic, but it all works. I can see how it's supposed to work now...","body@stringLength":"1976","rawBody":"Having just purchased a new Kwikee Sires 28 step for our class C, I dug it out of the box and read the directions. Gee, easy! Right.

Wire colors:
Red - power
Green - ground
Brown - to magnetic door switch, then to ground
White - to switch, then to power
Yellow - to ignition

I tied red, green to my battery, positive and negative.
Step opened,

I expected I could touch yellow or (edit) white to power and have it close. Nope.

So... I thought it was broken, out of the box. I then set up all wires with switches to power/ground per the directions.

Here's the setup:

Power - Red
Ground - Green
Brown - switch - ground
Yellow - switch - power
White - switch - power

Here's how it works:
Connect Red to power, Green to ground, with all switches off - Steps Open. (Door open, Ign off, Override off)
Close the door - Brown grounds - steps close.
Open the door - Brown opens - steps open.
Close the door - Brown grounds - steps close.

Flip override switch on - White to power, Step stay closed. (yep, closed)
Open the door - Brown grounds - steps open.
Close the door - Brown opens - step stay open because White is tied to power.
Open/Close door, step stays extended because override is on, White is tied to power.

Door closed - Brown grounded, Override on, White to power, steps extended.
Turn Ign on - Yellow to Power - Steps close.
Turn Ign off - Yellow open, Steps remain closed.
Open door, steps open.
Close door, steps stay open because override is on.

The basic logic - No matter the other switches, anytime the door is opened, the steps open, if not already open.
If the door is closed, steps stay open if override on, if ign turned on, steps close.

Interesting logic, but it all works. 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Kwikee step logic","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:994744"},"body":"The suggestion to call Kwickee is not a good one. Over the past several years of RV ownership I have never been successful getting an answer or a call back from them.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"166","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-01-08T05:43:23.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-01-08T05:43:23.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":578},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:994728/message:994744","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"166","rawBody":"The suggestion to call Kwickee is not a good one. Over the past several years of RV ownership I have never been successful getting an answer or a call back from them.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:994744_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:391181":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:391181","uid":391181,"login":"JimM68","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-05-03T05:00:14.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:391181"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:994743":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:994743","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:994743":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:391181"},"id":"message:994743","revisionNum":1,"uid":994743,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:994728"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:994728"},"subject":"Re: Kwikee step logic","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:994743"},"body":"Great post Bruce!

The system is designed so you cannot open the door without the steps being out.

It won't hurt the system if the steps hit something and do not go out all the way. (it might hurt that corvette you parked too close to)

The steps ALWAYS run 100% off chassis power, and are not affected by any power disconnect switches.
The door opens, the steps are out, period.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-01-07T10:06:47.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-01-07T10:06:47.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":578},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:994728/message:994743","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"415","rawBody":"Great post Bruce!

The system is designed so you cannot open the door without the steps being out.

It won't hurt the system if the steps hit something and do not go out all the way. (it might hurt that corvette you parked too close to)

The steps ALWAYS run 100% off chassis power, and are not affected by any power disconnect switches.
The door opens, the steps are out, period.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:994743_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:994742":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:994742","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:994742":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:186614"},"id":"message:994742","revisionNum":1,"uid":994742,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:994728"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:994728"},"subject":"Re: Kwikee step logic","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:994742"},"body":"D.E.Bishop, Agreed! I have the #888 Owners Manual that came with the step, of course. Once I read the info and followed the troubleshooting guide, I then understood the theory of operation, as simple as it is. The thing that threw me off was:
If the ign is energized, then I thought the steps should retract. They do ONLY if the door is closed.
If the steps are closed, and the override switch is turned on, then I thought the steps should extend. They do not until the door is opened. Then they stay extended when the door is closed.

Subtle nuances...","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-01-07T09:36:50.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-01-07T09:36:50.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":577},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:994728/message:994742","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"579","rawBody":"D.E.Bishop, Agreed! I have the #888 Owners Manual that came with the step, of course. Once I read the info and followed the troubleshooting guide, I then understood the theory of operation, as simple as it is. The thing that threw me off was:
If the ign is energized, then I thought the steps should retract. They do ONLY if the door is closed.
If the steps are closed, and the override switch is turned on, then I thought the steps should extend. They do not until the door is opened. Then they stay extended when the door is closed.

Subtle nuances...","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:994742_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:197176":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:197176","uid":197176,"login":"D_E_Bishop","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2001-08-09T16:44:26.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-6.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:197176"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:994741":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:994741","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:994741":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:197176"},"id":"message:994741","revisionNum":1,"uid":994741,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:994728"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:994728"},"subject":"Re: Kwikee step logic","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:994741"},"body":"I promised myself I would stay out of Kwikee step discussions but I can't help myself. First I have to say Kwikee as an independent company no longer exists, it is now Power Gear. They do not deal with end users, they deal with distributors and dealers only!

They do however have a great library of manuals and part lists on line. I think you should download and print out Owners Manual #888. On pages 7 thru 11 inclusive is the trouble shooting section. You will need at the minimum a DC volt meter with a 12 volt scale.

The mechanics and electronics are simple and easy to trouble shoot if you read and follow the manual. Page 3, is especially important so you know what the proper operation should be.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-01-07T06:18:58.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-01-07T06:18:58.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":576},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:994728/message:994741","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"732","rawBody":"I promised myself I would stay out of Kwikee step discussions but I can't help myself. First I have to say Kwikee as an independent company no longer exists, it is now Power Gear. They do not deal with end users, they deal with distributors and dealers only!

They do however have a great library of manuals and part lists on line. I think you should download and print out Owners Manual #888. On pages 7 thru 11 inclusive is the trouble shooting section. You will need at the minimum a DC volt meter with a 12 volt scale.

The mechanics and electronics are simple and easy to trouble shoot if you read and follow the manual. Page 3, is especially important so you know what the proper operation should be.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:994741_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:339200":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:339200","uid":339200,"login":"KJINTF","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2010-09-04T07:24:39.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:339200"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:994740":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:994740","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:994740":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:339200"},"id":"message:994740","revisionNum":1,"uid":994740,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:994728"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:994728"},"subject":"Re: Kwikee step logic","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:994740"},"body":"Bruce,

Your 1st post \"logic\" is the same way my steps functioned when new

To stop the steps coming out we have a frig magnet handy that I stick to the door switch (actually to the wall very close the switch) - it completely stops the steps from coming out. The system thinks the door is closed.

Itasca / Winni wired mine
Door switch power from ignition switch and main power from the Engine battery before the disconnect solenoid. The disconnect switch had no effect on the operation of the steps. The Engine battery always had a unwanted drain.

I changed the wiring by moving the main power to the house batteries after the disconnect switch leaving alone the ignition switch connection. Turn off the house batteries and the steps do not function. Nice when getting access to the batteries which are located inside under the stairs

We always dry camp with solar charging the house batteries
No need for an extra load on the engine battery which is most of the time isolated from the House battery bank
The step lamp and the motor plus a small parasitic load from the controller were draining the engine battery unnecessarily","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-01-07T05:57:48.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-01-07T05:57:48.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":574},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:994728/message:994740","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1203","rawBody":"Bruce,

Your 1st post \"logic\" is the same way my steps functioned when new

To stop the steps coming out we have a frig magnet handy that I stick to the door switch (actually to the wall very close the switch) - it completely stops the steps from coming out. The system thinks the door is closed.

Itasca / Winni wired mine
Door switch power from ignition switch and main power from the Engine battery before the disconnect solenoid. The disconnect switch had no effect on the operation of the steps. The Engine battery always had a unwanted drain.

I changed the wiring by moving the main power to the house batteries after the disconnect switch leaving alone the ignition switch connection. Turn off the house batteries and the steps do not function. Nice when getting access to the batteries which are located inside under the stairs

We always dry camp with solar charging the house batteries
No need for an extra load on the engine battery which is most of the time isolated from the House battery bank
The step lamp and the motor plus a small parasitic load from the controller were draining the engine battery unnecessarily","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:994740_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"Rank:rank:39":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:39","position":29,"name":"Nomad","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:50968":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:50968","uid":50968,"login":"dougrainer","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2007-06-11T11:48:09.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:39"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:50968"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:994739":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:994739","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:994739":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:50968"},"id":"message:994739","revisionNum":1,"uid":994739,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:994728"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:994728"},"subject":"Re: Kwikee step logic","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:994739"},"body":"The \"logic\" is nothing new. Kwikee steps have a Last out feature. That means regardless of what you have done, emgine OFF/Engine ON/wall switch Off or On, the last out feature means when the door is opened, Brown wire magnetic switch/ the steps extend. This is to prevent the steps from NOT extending and you fall out of the RV. Doug","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-01-07T05:37:35.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-01-07T05:37:35.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":575},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:994728/message:994739","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"333","rawBody":"The \"logic\" is nothing new. Kwikee steps have a Last out feature. That means regardless of what you have done, emgine OFF/Engine ON/wall switch Off or On, the last out feature means when the door is opened, Brown wire magnetic switch/ the steps extend. This is to prevent the steps from NOT extending and you fall out of the RV. 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BruceMc wrote:
The manual makes the following distinction:
Yellow (ignition) through a 5-6 amp fuse to the fuse block.
Red (Power) through a 20-25 amp fuse/circuit breaker, through a battery disconnect, to the battery.

The diagram doesn't say the battery is the house or chassis battery, but by showing the disconnect, it implies the main power is from the house battery. Yet, there could be a disconnect on the chassis battery as well, so it could be either battery.
(I would presume a disconnect would be on the house, however.)

Regarding the magnetic door switch:
If the switch is white, it is a N/O, closed when the magnet is in proximity.
If the switch is black, it is N/C (normally closed), therefore open when the magnet is in proximity.
All steps from the last decade or so use the black NC magnetic switch.


The steps should ALWAYS be wired to the chassis battery power. Simple reason. IF you have a problem with the coach batteries and you are connected to the coach batteries, you cannot get your steps retracted to travel. If connected to the chassis, if you have a chassis 12 volt problem, the engine will not start and if the engine does not start you do not have to worry about the steps retracting as the RV cannot move anyway. Doug","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-01-07T04:14:19.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-01-07T04:14:19.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":574},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:994728/message:994738","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1345","rawBody":"
BruceMc wrote:
The manual makes the following distinction:
Yellow (ignition) through a 5-6 amp fuse to the fuse block.
Red (Power) through a 20-25 amp fuse/circuit breaker, through a battery disconnect, to the battery.

The diagram doesn't say the battery is the house or chassis battery, but by showing the disconnect, it implies the main power is from the house battery. Yet, there could be a disconnect on the chassis battery as well, so it could be either battery.
(I would presume a disconnect would be on the house, however.)

Regarding the magnetic door switch:
If the switch is white, it is a N/O, closed when the magnet is in proximity.
If the switch is black, it is N/C (normally closed), therefore open when the magnet is in proximity.
All steps from the last decade or so use the black NC magnetic switch.


The steps should ALWAYS be wired to the chassis battery power. Simple reason. IF you have a problem with the coach batteries and you are connected to the coach batteries, you cannot get your steps retracted to travel. If connected to the chassis, if you have a chassis 12 volt problem, the engine will not start and if the engine does not start you do not have to worry about the steps retracting as the RV cannot move anyway. Doug","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:994738_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:994737":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:994737","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:994737":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:186614"},"id":"message:994737","revisionNum":1,"uid":994737,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:994728"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:994728"},"subject":"Re: Kwikee step logic","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:994737"},"body":"The manual makes the following distinction:
Yellow (ignition) through a 5-6 amp fuse to the fuse block.
Red (Power) through a 20-25 amp fuse/circuit breaker, through a battery disconnect, to the battery.

The diagram doesn't say the battery is the house or chassis battery, but by showing the disconnect, it implies the main power is from the house battery. Yet, there could be a disconnect on the chassis battery as well, so it could be either battery.
(I would presume a disconnect would be on the house, however.)

Regarding the magnetic door switch: (Edited, had N/C, N/O backwards)
If the switch is white, it is a N/C, Open when the magnet is in proximity.
If the switch is black, it is N/O (normally open), therefore Closed when the magnet is in proximity.
(Edit) All steps from 2/99 use the black N/O magnetic switch.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-01-06T21:36:53.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-01-06T21:36:53.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":577},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:994728/message:994737","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"879","rawBody":"The manual makes the following distinction:
Yellow (ignition) through a 5-6 amp fuse to the fuse block.
Red (Power) through a 20-25 amp fuse/circuit breaker, through a battery disconnect, to the battery.

The diagram doesn't say the battery is the house or chassis battery, but by showing the disconnect, it implies the main power is from the house battery. Yet, there could be a disconnect on the chassis battery as well, so it could be either battery.
(I would presume a disconnect would be on the house, however.)

Regarding the magnetic door switch: (Edited, had N/C, N/O backwards)
If the switch is white, it is a N/C, Open when the magnet is in proximity.
If the switch is black, it is N/O (normally open), therefore Closed when the magnet is in proximity.
(Edit) All steps from 2/99 use the black N/O magnetic switch.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:994737_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:46784":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:46784","uid":46784,"login":"Harvard","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2005-12-24T08:08:16.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:46784"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:994736":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:994736","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:994736":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:46784"},"id":"message:994736","revisionNum":1,"uid":994736,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TechnicalIssues"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:994728"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:994728"},"subject":"Re: Kwikee step logic","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:994736"},"body":"
vern kelly wrote:
Great post by BruceMc:

My dad has the kwickee step on his Minni Winni and was not working. Stayed retracted and not going out when opening the coach door. The coach batteries were fine which are in a compartment right above the step. The problem was the Ford engine battery was failed. (7.5 volts). Replaced battery in the engine compartment and the kwickee step works fine as well as the engine starting again. I did not realize that the step was powered by the engine battery instead of the coach batteries.


From my experience with this, the step controller appears to get signals (via ignition position) from the chassis battery BUT the step motor gets juice from the coach battery. Not with standing, if the system is equipped with a BIRD module (Bi-Directional Isolator Relay Delay) then both batteries may be in parallel as controlled by the BIRD module.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-01-06T19:48:25.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-01-06T19:48:25.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":575},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:TechnicalIssues/message:994728/message:994736","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"931","rawBody":"
vern kelly wrote:
Great post by BruceMc:

My dad has the kwickee step on his Minni Winni and was not working. Stayed retracted and not going out when opening the coach door. The coach batteries were fine which are in a compartment right above the step. The problem was the Ford engine battery was failed. (7.5 volts). Replaced battery in the engine compartment and the kwickee step works fine as well as the engine starting again. I did not realize that the step was powered by the engine battery instead of the coach batteries.


From my experience with this, the step controller appears to get signals (via ignition position) from the chassis battery BUT the step motor gets juice from the coach battery. Not with standing, if the system is equipped with a BIRD module (Bi-Directional Isolator Relay Delay) then both batteries may be in parallel as controlled by the BIRD module.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:994736_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1741694506000","value":{"ariaLabelClosed":"Press the down arrow to open the menu"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1741694506000","value":{"escalationMessage":"Escalated to Salesforce by {username} on {date}","viewDetails":"View Details","modalTitle":"Case Details","escalatedBy":"Escalated by: ","escalatedOn":"Escalated on: ","caseNumber":"Case Number: ","status":"Status: ","lastUpdateDate":"Last Update: ","automaticEscalation":"automatic escalation","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1741694506000","value":{"authorName":"View Profile: {author}","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1741694506000","value":{"rankName":"{rankName}","userRank":"Author rank {rankName}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1741694506000","value":{"postTime":"Published: {time}","lastPublishTime":"Last Update: {time}","conversation.lastPostingActivityTime":"Last posting activity time: {time}","conversation.lastPostTime":"Last post time: {time}","moderationData.rejectTime":"Rejected time: {time}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1741694506000","value":{"solved":"Solved"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1741694506000","value":{"noSubject":"(no subject)"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1741694506000","value":{"showMessageBody":"Show More","mentionsErrorTitle":"{mentionsType, select, board {Board} user {User} message {Message} other {}} No Longer Available","mentionsErrorMessage":"The {mentionsType} you are trying to view has been removed from the community.","videoProcessing":"Video is being processed. 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