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Juzaxadar
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Apr 26, 2019

Leaking differential Ford E450

I found a slight leak in the front seal of the differential while I was checking for issues. I tried to get the fill plug out to top it off, and it's rusted shut. In fact, the 1/2" ratchet wouldn't even fit. No matter what I did I couldn't make it work.
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After checking on prices to replace the seal I decided to replace the differential cover which includes a new fill plug. It'll be cheaper to just keep the fluid up.

Interesting stuff: Ford could not ID the differential based on the VIN or the door tag (axle = 81). The "non-rusting" aluminum tag on the differential itself was unreadable. I ended up spending a 15 uncomfortable minutes with my phone taking video under the RV to find some clue that this is a Dana 80 differential.

I ordered the cover and hopefully will get it next week in order to see if it fits.
  • I thought 3/8 as well believe me. But it's loosy-goosy. The 1/2 would fit if it weren't for the rust. I tried my dremel to clean out and it's almost good enough but not deep enough, and the hole started getting tweaked/stripped. It's also difficult because the rear sway bar and the gas tank are in the way so I have about 3" clearance which is just enough to get the dremel and/or a screwdriver into 2 of the 4 bottom corners and try to clean/square them off. The third one I just can't get to.

    As far as IDing, I looked at the door code (81) and called Ford and gave them my VIN. They could not ID it. So I stuck my phone with video on above the differential and found a spot where it has "80" on it. Lots of web searching and that's what I came up with. That plus the measurements, bolt holes and counts, etc. The chassis owners manual references Dana 60, 70, or 80.

    A new cover shipped is less than $50 shipped, and I can return it minus the $7 shipping if I'm wrong. I have to do that, but taking it anywhere and doing anything will cost me more than $7.

    Mine looks exactly like all of those Dana 80s. They all look the same to me. https://www.randysworldwide.com/differential-identification-dana/
  • time2roll wrote:
    Back in the day I would clean the plug with an air chisel and then hit it with an impact gun.

    Images of Dana covers


    Same here but I give them a shot of PB or ATF and acetone mix, let it sit a day and crank it out with a 3/8" square drive extension and if it's tight a little persuasion with an impact always does the trick.

    I can look at a 3rd member and tell what it is but that comes from experience. Fords tend to use Dana axles in heavy application or corporate axles in lighter duty apps, like F250 and 350 pickup trucks. FCA uses American axle and GM uses both American Axle and corporte stuff depending on model.

    Instead of buying a new stock cover, I would have bought something like a Mag-HyTec and put that on. or just replaced the stock one with a new gasket and some sealant.
  • "All the fill plugs I've seen with square drives are 3/8 inch."

    You beat me to it!
  • My '03 E-450 has a Dana D70-HD diff. I'll bet yours is the same and the D80 cover may not fit.
  • All the fill plugs I've seen with square drives are 3/8 inch. Would need to be a mighty big plug to take a ½ inch square drive.

    I have a way of getting those plugs out. In the heavy aircraft industry, we have a tool called a "screw knocker" (some people call them and "old man" for some reason) and this has a 3/8 square drive on it, a handle, and a .401 parker taper that fits in a 4x rivet gun. The rivet gun vibrates it, helping to break it loose, but mostly it holds the square drive in the plug (or phillips screw head when removing screws on an aircraft). You turn it with the handle.

    If you google differential cover identification and then select images, you get all kinds of charts with pics of differential covers made for the purpose of ID'ing rear ends.

    Charles