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Feb 20, 2014

More Griping About Missing Standards LED lamps and lumens

I sure hope this does not place a burr under anyone's saddle, but get ready because I am going to lapse into (lecture?) mode...

  • I purchase LED chipset plate lamps
  • Various wattages 2, 3, 5, 10, 20
  • I connect them to a precision power supply 12.00 volts
  • With a 5-1/2 digit bench DMM
  • I read I amperage draw
  • I multiply volts times amps
  • Anywhere from one-fifth to one-fourth of the advertised wattage
  • There is no mention anywhere EVER of a caveat of "equivalent to" which would be stupid because flourescent, incandescent, or halogen?


So I take the advice of Mr Wizard. I purchase 12 volt 10 watt LED chips. They need heatsinks. I connect the power supply and the light flashes as bright as 60 amperes of arc-welder light only pure white. I have the chip solidly heat-sinked to a plate of aluminum with zinc oxide compound. The light eqvt. equals around SIX 30 watt 12 volt fluorescent fixtures.

I am going to couple the 10 watt chips to an LED dimmer, a PWM control with a knob. At full potential a chip demands a lot of heat sink, possibly with a 12 volt micro muffin fan.

How bright is bright? Even with my poor eyesight, I feel one single chip will light a 12' X 12' room as well as a single 100 watt incandescent lamp - with a higher number Kelvin emission it is hard to compare. The beam spread is incredible - around 140 degrees.

I will use the $2.95 Chinese specials, rated at 10 watts. Mounted to a flat fixture. I figure SIX of them will give me about 50% of the illumination of a single $4.95 10 watt AUTHENTIC LED chip.

So thank you Mr. Wizard!

I will work out the heat sink and PWM controls to suit my application.
And gag whenever I see a wattage reading for a multi-LED plate.

44 Replies

  • GordonThree, thank you! That rule of thumb you quoted is going to help me. I am considering buying a copper CPU heatsink and mounting as many (6 max) chips on the CPU pad. I purchased some thermal adhesive but I do not know how it compares thermal transfer wise to old-fashioned zinc oxide past and drilling micro holes for #2 screws.

    I also need to conjure up somewhere a micro 12 volt to 5 volt DC to DC converter for the CPU heat sink fan. Yeesh, if I end up throttling back on watt/minutes with an LED dimmer I wonder how this is going to affect the DC to DC converter. Will it throttle back as well or end up cycling.

    Availability and the Oops factor inhibit full scale tinkering. Fifteen hundred mile journey to fetch packages is a bit daunting.
  • Mexico: Good thing you have pointed out... HEATSINKS!

    I find the Chinese led boards regardless of wattage rarely have enough heatsink or even thermal mass. This goes for the plastic LED flexible-strip lights that are popular with RV crowd as well. LED + HEAT = short lived LEDs ... it matters not if it's one ten watt led or ten one watt leds or a hundred 100mW leds, the heat has to go somewhere!

    Rule of thumb from a little company named Philips ... 3 sq in. of heatsink surface area per watt of LED. This doesn't have to be all on the horizontal plane, a heatsink with vertical fins adds a lot of surface area. Second thing to consider, surface area (fins) are only good if cool(er) air can move across them.
  • The magic words missing are "I recommend". This is not a "I Recommend posting" It is for educational purposes. I need heat sinks. Did you miss that thread? When I get this system viable I intend to post images.

    Some folks want to learn about their endeavors. Others believe the only relevant issue about a subject is "Tell me where to buy it". I love teaching and sharing. I make a poor salesman - IMHO someone who hasn't the foggiest idea of how something works, the only issue is where to buy it, or sell it. The yellow pages, ebay or Amazon is perfect for the latter.
  • Pictures, or it didn't happen. LOL
    More info and how to set them up in a small RV "B" Class. Where to purchase links, etc. I missed Mr. Wizards post.
    Thanks

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