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rvhippo
Explorer
Jan 11, 2014

Need Advice - look at used RV, possible freeze damage

I've got a deposit on a 2011 Airstream Avenue class B van. I'm too far away to inspect the unit so I hired a mobile RV tech to help me look over the van.

The biggest worry he found was that the black tank sensor showed 2/3 full. The tech had no way to dump the tank to see if it was actually full (dump station blocked by customer RVs).

The dealer says that they winterized the unit and the black tank sensor is just picking up toilet paper stuck to the sensor. I looked up the sensor in the owners manual and it is a capacitive sensor, mounted on the outside of the tank with no parts inside the tank. I thought this kind of sensor could not be thrown off by stuff stuck to the side of the tank.

The van is in North Carolina, where evening temperatures have been as low as 4 degrees F at night (but usually in the 20s). The recent big storm sent temps well below freezing for over 36 hours straight.

My concern is that there really is 2/3 of a tank (7 gallons) of black water in the black water tank. I'm worried about freezing damage to the tank and the drain valves.

If there is damage to the drain valves, will it be hidden because the macerator pump will keep any water from dripping out?

The dealer says that he will rinse the black water tank and everything should be fine.

I need advice from someone more knowledgeable about this than I am. It's a 21 hour plane flight to the van for me. Is this a deal breaker? How would I inspect the van for freezing damage? I'm a little worried because one of the other problems was a leaking shower faucet - which could have been caused by freezing damage.

Thanks in advance.
  • Let me ask would you buy a used car 21 hours away sight unseen with no warranty or recourse for problems?Rv's and dealers are somewhat different then automotive buying.
  • Yes, they sell "as is". ALL used RV's are basically sold that way. But, the systems should be functional AT DELIVERY. You have a couple of problems
    1. The A/S has a Macerator system. I would be worried that IF there is any water in either tank, that means the dealer did NOT do a correct winterization. You CANNOT winterize the A/S macerator system unless you completely DUMP both tanks and then run RV antifreeze thru either tank to run thru the Macerator. There is NO OTHER way to run RV antifreeze thru a A/S macerator. This means the odds are the macerator pump has frozen AND the 15 foot 1 inch drain hose on the reel is frozen also. I service A/S motorhomes and trailers, so what I post is correct.
    2. Yes, they use the inductive type probes, but you can have defective pads causing a false readout. Easy to replace if needed. Doug
  • rvhippo wrote:
    wnjj wrote:
    Why not get them to write up some kind of guarantee that the tank is fine?


    They will not warranty anything. All used units are sold "as-is".


    If they have no confidence in the unit by refusing such a specific warranty you should not either. RUN, and run fast.
  • wnjj wrote:
    Why not get them to write up some kind of guarantee that the tank is fine?


    They will not warranty anything. All used units are sold "as-is".
  • wnjj's avatar
    wnjj
    Explorer II
    Why not get them to write up some kind of guarantee that the tank is fine?
  • robsouth wrote:
    That, in itself, would be a "deal breaker" for me.. Where are you, on Mars?


    I'm in Taiwan. I'm just about as far away from the van as I can possibly get. When I talk on the phone with the dealer there's a time delay on the call waiting for the electricity to travel that far.

    If this was just a normal RV with generic valves hanging down, I wouldn't worry (as long as the tank was good). But I'm not sure how much of this stuff is Airstream specific. If there's damage and I have to pay Airstream prices on parts, that scares the heck out of me.
  • rvhippo wrote:
    It's a 21 hour plane flight to the van for me. Is this a deal breaker?


    That, in itself, would be a "deal breaker" for me.. Where are you, on Mars?
  • The dealer is probably right. Even the capacitive type sensors are sensitive to scum on the inside of the tank. I wouldn't worry about the drain valves, they are less than $15 and easy to replace. If they winterized it the should have put in enough antifreeze to fill the dump valves.

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