New Smart Solar Charge Controller

BFL13 wrote:
An example of a good match between user and equipment for sure.

Oh well, I can always shift targets to that MPPT scam. :)

LOL!!! I dang near went with the Kid :)

An example of a good match between user and equipment for sure.

Oh well, I can always shift targets to that MPPT scam. :)

BFL13 wrote:

grizzzman wrote:
Have a fight? Heck a hydrometer decided if the Bogart system worked or not. You see my perspective may be different then yours, the only thing that bugs me is someone that has not evaluated the product,saying it dosent work. No worries BFL13 :)

I didn't say it doesn't work. I have had a Trimetric for some years though, and I know how it does at different times. It requires "interpretation" and resets, which I don't mind. I like the thing. Very useful.

I do not see how a solar controller could do that "interpretation" of the Trimetric it is strapped onto so I figure it will be off kilter as the Trimetric gets off kilter. Blind leading the blind.

On the value of the Bogart combo to the person not familiar with battery stuff, how does he set it up in his rig in the first place if he doesn't know what he is doing? And then how does he know to interpret the Trimetric and reset both it and so the solar controller as needed?

Your newbie can use an RJ Special $15 controller that has no adjustments and his Absorption Timer is Mother Nature. Absorption time is from when the batts reach Vabs till dark. That can be perfect for some folks.

Or he can get an EP Solar controller for a bit more money, and it is also non-adjustable, but it has a fixed two hour absorption time before dropping to Float.

An exception is the Eco-Worthy 20a MPPT one I have. No absorption time at all! It drops to Float as soon as the batts reach Vabs. (So you have to pick a Float voltage as your absorption voltage and it stays there till dark)

They all work. It is just a matter of matching how they work to the user's desires and needs. The Bogart combo will match some people's, but everybody won't do better with one if he has a good match with another one.

As i have explained before the presets that Ralph put into the unit is from many manufactures battery recomendations. Input the bank size choose the preset and done. Personaly i find them to be on the conservative side (The OEM tends to not want to deal with warrenty claims) although this is changing it is claimed that 80% of all solar charged batteries that fail are due to sulfation. Seems its important to fully as possible charge your battery bank every day. I believe that your 15 dollar specials simply put will not get the job done.
Also there is info that the TM2030 gives in solar mode that the TM2025 simply cant that helps you to dial in the proper overcharge for your use.
I have my system set to L4 this means 109% of used power returned. Amps down to 2% of bank size and then the amps are clamped and voltage is alowed to rise to 15.3. Only at this point will the amps counter be alowed to reset to 100%

grizzzman wrote:
Have a fight? Heck a hydrometer decided if the Bogart system worked or not. You see my perspective may be different then yours, the only thing that bugs me is someone that has not evaluated the product,saying it dosent work. No worries BFL13 :)

I didn't say it doesn't work. I have had a Trimetric for some years though, and I know how it does at different times. It requires "interpretation" and resets, which I don't mind. I like the thing. Very useful.

I do not see how a solar controller could do that "interpretation" of the Trimetric it is strapped onto so I figure it will be off kilter as the Trimetric gets off kilter. Blind leading the blind.

On the value of the Bogart combo to the person not familiar with battery stuff, how does he set it up in his rig in the first place if he doesn't know what he is doing? And then how does he know to interpret the Trimetric and reset both it and so the solar controller as needed?

Your newbie can use an RJ Special $15 controller that has no adjustments and his Absorption Timer is Mother Nature. Absorption time is from when the batts reach Vabs till dark. That can be perfect for some folks.

Or he can get an EP Solar controller for a bit more money, and it is also non-adjustable, but it has a fixed two hour absorption time before dropping to Float.

An exception is the Eco-Worthy 20a MPPT one I have. No absorption time at all! It drops to Float as soon as the batts reach Vabs. (So you have to pick a Float voltage as your absorption voltage and it stays there till dark)

They all work. It is just a matter of matching how they work to the user's desires and needs. The Bogart combo will match some people's, but everybody won't do better with one if he has a good match with another one.

Have a fight? Heck a hydrometer decided if the Bogart system worked or not. You see my perspective may be different then yours, the only thing that bugs me is someone that has not evaluated the product,saying it dosent work. No worries BFL13 :)

BFL13 wrote:
the battery's SOC

don't think so

'charges at constant voltage (P1). Terminates when
charging amps decline to (P2) % of capacity P3'

But then it does what US batt suggests, 'finish charge' from a oft linked us battery charge recommendations.

I can't decide whether to have a fight with the Bogart believers, the PD converter believers, or the MPPT believers! Drat, too many good choices. :)

BFL13 wrote:

Harvey51 wrote:
It certainly seems an advantage for the controller to know how much the batteries are discharged.
Anyone seen a price?

Many controllers have a way to "know" when to drop to their Float voltages, so it is not special to this controller. Also it relies on the Trimetric for the information on the battery's SOC, which in real life requires frequent "resets" to keep any where near the truth.

This coming from a person who owns two charge controllers that dont even have absorption time? Not every one wants to deal with the changes made on that type of cheap controller. Not everyone has your understanding of what your batteries need as you do. The Bogart system would get them ALOT better off then many other controllers out there. And the funny thing is YOU know that.

SkiSmuggs wrote:

EsoxLucius wrote:
New? This came out in 2014.

So a year is not new? How about new to most of us? ;)

Announced in January 2014. That's almost two years ago. PWM and a 30 amp limitation. An option for some I suppose.

EsoxLucius wrote:
New? This came out in 2014.

So a year is not new? How about new to most of us? ;)