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- BumpyroadExplorer
pianotuna wrote:
Hi,
I like a belt and suspenders so I carry the aforementioned Vector and a "dumb" charger from Harbor Freight. So far, I've only used them to try to help others.
Battery Charger/Engine Starter, 10/2/50
Mine is a bit earlier model:
I got one of those for $27 as I recall with a coupon.
bumpy - pnicholsExplorer III carry a 2/10/50 charger-starter similar to the one above, but a different brand and much older.
I set it on it's 50 amp "starter" setting to charge our 200 AH AGM RV battery bank. The batteries won't absorb anywhere near 50 amps from this charger so leaving the charger on this setting doesn't cause it to trip it's circuit breaker, even after a couple of hours on this range. However, using the charger's 50 amp starter range does provide more current to the batteries than with the charger set on it's 10 amp range.
We don't clip our charger directly to the battery terminals. We clip it to the heavy duty cable connectors on the built-in generator where the cables coming over from the RV battery bank connect to the built-in generator for starting of the generator. This is a much easier way to attach the charger than opening up the RV's battery compartment. - BobboExplorer II
MrWizard wrote:
because things happen
who wants a ruined trip because of discharged batteries and a dead converter
this forum is full of posts about a trip saved from a dead converter or even dead alternator/regulator because of having a portable charger on hand
The only charger I have is my built in PD4655V. If it ever dies on me during a trip, I will get in my car and drive to a hardware store and buy a portable. Seems more efficient to me than carrying a portable for years "just in case." - MEXICOWANDERERExplorerConverters don't die when you're parked in the lot at Camping World, they die in the campground in Yosemite Park or Wells Nevada, or Ennis Montana. or Marfa Texas.
Remember Kelly said Murphy was an optimist. - RbertalottoExplorerMost of the battery chargers I've tested , and this includes ALL from Harbor Freight and Sears will not put out 14.3V to bring a battery all the way back to full charge. The B&D as listed above is the only one.
I bought brand new Johnson Control batteries (Walmart) and simply couldn't get them to full charge. Tried my big SEARS charger/starter, tried my old SPORTMAN 10A, tried the $27 Harbor Freight, tried the 12V outlet on my Honda 2000 generator. Nothing would bring the batteries full. The B&D was ordered from Amazon and arrived last weekend. In 48 hours it had the batteries singing and my Trimetric 2025RV FINALLY reading correctly and showing proper full charge.
If you don't bring the battery back to a full charge with 14.3V you are killing your batteries slowly but surely.
The converter in my truck camper will only put out 12.7V....Terrible! All of the other chargers in my arsenal will only max out to 13.2V....Not good enough!
If you have a GEL or AGM battery this is even more critical as these batteries require a much higher charge rate than Wet batteries.
There are many, many articles on the internet about this...All riveting reading!.... :-) - bka0721Explorer II
KJINTF wrote:
Very good question.
Why do you good folks carry a portable charger?
Help me out what am I missing?
Is it that you do not have an
On board hard wired converter
Or a capable solar system
or the engine alternator is not connected to the battery bank
Full disclosure, I use a Black & Decker too and my convertor is disconnected.
My Solar system is very capable, but when your demand use is 150 – 200AmpH a day and you only have 900w, you still carry a separate charger. Redundancy is an important factor when you boondock 98% of the time and haven’t plugged into electricity for a few years. What you might not be considering is the days when you have cloudy weather, or the outside temperatures drop and your S.O.C. is low, due to no fault of your Solar (batteries lose % capacity faster below 70?F). So those that use their Solar/Battery Banks in the winter season, need supplemental charging when their AmpH demand exceeds their daily solar harvesting. I liken my Battery bank (1,168AmpH) to a checking account. If I am withdrawing a sizable amount of cash (amps) every day and I am hoping to have a daily deposit equal or greater than my withdrawals, I am good. If I have a day that my withdrawals don’t match, I can assume that I might withdraw less the next day and or have more deposits. But if you don’t, your checking account will slowly become deleted with the daily withdrawals and deposits that are not equal. My checking account is assessed a high Fee if I allow it to drop below the Minimum Deposit I have agreed to (55%). If I drop below this minimum deposit too many times/often, my checking account could be closed without my permission (Dead Battery Cells). So yes, it is important to keep your Batteries charged up during those times when your Solar is not keeping up with your demands, due to cloudy, cold temperatures and or heavy use. A Aux Battery Charger can and does have its advantages.
Charging with an alternator? That works when your assumption meets reality and you are moving frequently and for sustained number of hours or running it. Many of us travel shorter distances, where an alternator does not function in an efficient way. Running an aux battery charger/generator is often less expensive that the operation of a Tow Vehicle’s engine.
AsKJINTF wrote:
That might be a good plan, if;
Hi mena661
Guess that's why the Paramode converter has temp compensation
Most good converters do
Just sounds easier to me to use the hard wired option rather than connect up a portable unit
One day soon when you get your 800watts of PV solar array you will leave the portable charger at home. Your solar array will easily get the Equalization done when needed and will have temp compensation
You don’t run into multiple days of cloudy weather.
Outside temperatures below 70?F that reduce your battery capacity.
Or camp in an area that is full of trees, as most campgrounds in the mountains are. (Funny how the majority of RV owners are looking for shade and those that are Solar Snobs, like me, are parking out in the sun.)
b - BFL13Explorer IIThe Scouts say, "Be prepared." Some of you guys must have accidentally joined the Girl Guides instead! (At least you can make good cookies as long as you have shore power) :)
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Bobbo wrote:
MrWizard wrote:
because things happen
who wants a ruined trip because of discharged batteries and a dead converter
this forum is full of posts about a trip saved from a dead converter or even dead alternator/regulator because of having a portable charger on hand
The only charger I have is my built in PD4655V. If it ever dies on me during a trip, I will get in my car and drive to a hardware store and buy a portable. Seems more efficient to me than carrying a portable for years "just in case."
For me that could easily be 50 or 100 miles
and my 'toad' has two wheels
riding 100-200 miles in bad weather just get something i could easily have carried (bad weather does happen) does not make much sense to me - KJINTFExplorerWhy do you good folks carry a portable charger?
Help me out what am I missing?
Is it that you do not have an
On board hard wired converter
Or a capable solar system
or the engine alternator is not connected to the battery bank
Thanks guys I see everyone has their own and many times unique reasons for carrying a portable charger. I had not thought of many of the concerns that were brought up in the thread.
Me I see no need to store and carry around yet another piece of hardware, got enough******already. We always dry camp aka boondock can't rememeber if we have ever plugged into shore power on the road in the past 30 years. As many have said solar in the shade does not do much, engine alternator is not a real solution. My backup solution is a proper multistage on board hard wired converter powered by an on board 4Kw genset. No worries what so ever about a failure of the converter or genset while on the road. Repaired the fuel pump on the genset while on the road and have repaired a hundred or so converters over the years (none yet while on the road). I just look at the situation a bit differently from most other folks.
Enjoy your camping we sure do - mena661Explorer
bka0721 wrote:
900W of solar and 1168Ah of battery bank!!! You're definitely my kind of camper!!! Sweet setup!
My Solar system is very capable, but when your demand use is 150 – 200AmpH a day and you only have 900w,KJINTF wrote:
I don't know if I look at this any different than you do. You DO have the capacity to repair your converter. Most of us don't. That gives you a leg up. I will admit I did not get my B&D as a backup to the converter. Although when my Paramode broke it came in handy until I got the IQ4 module for the IOTA. I can use my Harbor Freight manual charger too. And I have a couple of HF floaters that will go up to 14V that I could use in a pinch. I don't charge while camping so if the converter broke then, I wouldn't know till I got home.
I just look at the situation a bit differently from most other folks.
Enjoy your camping we sure do
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